• Silverseren@kbin.social
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    Isn’t this the video where they used things like a calendar with regular dates and claimed it was a list of Hamas members?

    The entire area they showed looked like the power area of the hospital’s basement, with various things on the walls and such that indicate hospital and nothing else.

    Their only “evidence” in the videos was the pile of guns they showed, which…isn’t really evidence of anything, especially since we have no way to tell if those were planted or not.

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        Another video distributed by Russian state news agency RIA showed an inscription in an unidentified book supposedly recovered in the arrest — signed in Russian with the words “signature illegible.”

        This whole article is just bonkers.

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          It’s so surreal it kind of makes me wonder if it’s really a false flag, because they can’t be that incompetent… Right?

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            Something about generating doubt, uncertainty and cynicism.

            Or they’re just that incompetent. I could see that too

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        I mean, there are definitely Nazis fighting for Ukraine. As there were Nazis fighting for Wagner, it’s not exactly a secret and they have the symbols right on their uniforms.

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            Ukraine’s problem with far-right nationalist militias was openly talked about in western media before the Russian invasion

            https://archive.li/iNMNq (haaretz)

            https://www.npr.org/2019/04/17/714413439/right-wing-groups-are-active-in-ukraine-as-country-heads-into-presidential-elect

            https://thehill.com/policy/defense/380483-congress-bans-arms-to-controversial-ukrainian-militia-linked-to-neo-nazis/

            Putin’s claim that he’s invading to “de-nazify” Ukraine is obviously nonsense since Wagner was literally named for Hitler’s favorite composer but to pretend they don’t have a neo-nazi problem is just ignoring reality.

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            11 months ago

            copied from the Wikipedia page on the Azov-Battalion

            “The unit has drawn controversy over its early and allegedly continuing association with far-right groups and neo-Nazi ideology,[13] its use of controversial symbols linked to Nazism, and early allegations that members of the unit participated in human rights violations.[14][15][16] Some experts have been critical of the regiment’s role within the larger Azov Movement, a political umbrella group made up of veterans and organizations linked to Azov, and its possible far-right political ambitions, despite claims of the regiment’s depoliticization.[17][8] Others argue that the regiment has evolved, tempering its neo-Nazi and far-right underpinnings as it became part of the National Guard.[18][19][9] The Azov Regiment has been a recurring theme of Russian propaganda.[20] The unit has been designated a terrorist group by Russia since August 2022.[21]”

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            What the other replies said. The Azov battalion is a notorious example.

            As for Wagner, you can read about this lovely co-founder on Wikipedia.

            Both sides are happy to have Nazis fighting for them, but the war itself doesn’t have anything to do with ideology, it’s a proxy war between Russia and NATO and purely about geopolitics.

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        Lol, yeah. I just had to explain how that kind of manipulation works.

        Propaganda is a powerful force when it’s used to reinforce an existing bias. Facts are irrelevant because you saw what you wanted to see.

        Governments play the propaganda war hard. I am not picking sides over it: It is what it is.

        Edit: Confirmation bias. That is the phrase I was referring to.

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      Yes lol. Apparently a terrorist militia command center is less well armed than a random house in Arizona. If you watch this video and are convinced by it, I have a bridge to sell you.

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        Especially with this coming on the heels of that almost pristine copy of Mein Kampf they were pushing as belonging to a Hamas member in a children’s room the IDF partially blew up.

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          There’s also that video of a “nurse” in perfectly clean scurbs with an Israeli accent that none of the real staff had ever seen before crying that Hamas had taken over the hospital.

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            Wow this whole thread is Hamas supporters! /s

            It’s hilariously bad, but you know brown people bad, Israel good apparently.

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      No, they didn’t.

      They claimed it looks like a shift calendar where each terrorist signed in for his shift in guarding the hostages.

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      The infowar continues, and Bidens choices have brought in neo-progressives to help the Israelis.

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        Sure, Biden did this. They found them in the hospital basement right next to the calendar and stack of planted guns. 

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          Ummm…

          You mean the hostage room full of hostages Israel wants back?

          Ya. My money is on full planted disinformation aimed at justifying slaughter of innocents.