“Keep indiscriminately killing children and families 3 or 400 more times and we may not support you anymore!”
Didnt the US just veto a cease fire agreement? How can the us president critisize indiscriminate bombing but veto an attempt to stop it?
Probably cause he wants to please the republicans by helping Israel and also please the dems by telling the IDF to at least try and limit the civilian casualties. He really should just pick a lane here.
Lmao the cope. Biden is not trying to please any Republicans. Biden is 100% owned by AIPAC. He has for the last 50 years unconditionally supported israel no matter how bad their crimes. Genocide Joe is a foreign agent.
A vote for Biden is a vote for israel.
How can the us president critisize indiscriminate bombing but veto an attempt to stop it?
Easy. Biden is simply posturing for purposes of damage control - the massive failure of the pro-Israeli propaganda machine has taken the US political establishment by complete surprise (it is probably also calculated to “distance” Biden from the predictable batshit pro-Israeli posturing GOP candidates are going to be oozing next year).
massive failure of the pro-Israeli propaganda machine has taken the US political establishment by complete surprise
Can you elaborate more on this?
Oh… it’s just this.
Nearly 40 years of uncountable amounts of treasure spent peddling Israel to the world and specifically the US - and it’s coming to an end.
Israel used to have good propaganda to justify their war crimes. Recently they have dropped all pretense and now they just go
“Yeah we want to genocide all Palestinians and steal their land, and America will support us no matter what”.
They’re saying the quiet part out loud.
Also all the IDF propaganda such as the 40 beheaded babies and the hospital base instantly being debunked has started to show just how much israel is lying to justify their colonialism.
Biden basically said “I will always support israel no matter how much genocide they do, but the Europeans are starting to stop their support and the rest of the world hates israel with a passion now”
Except the bombing isn’t indiscriminate. The IDF/war cabinet have a pretty good idea how many civilians they’ll have to murder* in order to kill Hamas members hiding amongst the populace.
They’re leveraging AI to build ‘target packages’ using data from extensive drone and/or satellite footage. Locate a militant, track their movements, and the AI can roll back the footage and count how many people entered and left the building beforehand.
Targeted killings like we saw in Jenin during this summer/fall are ethically and legally tenuous, but at least a hit squad doesn’t level entire buildings…
*Yes, murder. If you know with strong confidence that your actions will kill someone/several someone’s, and do it anyway? That’s no longer ‘the fog of war caused an error’ it’s very deliberate act of violence aimed at the populace
aimed at the populace
Well if the article is correct, it’s still aimed at the militants
What a great way to create more militants.
Oh yeah? I bet you can’t even name one 20 year war on terror that never ended because you can’t fight an ideology while also enabling the spread of that ideology through civilian casualties. Wait.
But seriously, it’s like Israel looked at Afghanistan and decided the issue was there weren’t enough civilian casualties. Which, yeah, if there’s no civilians left then there’s nobody left to radicalize, but I think there’s a word for that and it rhymes with genocide.
In the days after after 10/7, we heard Israeli diplomats talk about how it was their 9/11. On the one hand, I get the comparison and how it explains the shock 10/7 has had on the Israeli phsyce. On the other hand, I get the 9/11 comparison and how it explains the emotional response of launching an impossible military canpaign that will result in a generation defining 20 year quagmire.
Seriously. Any time someone uses a 9/11 comparison to justify Israel’s response, the immediate followup should be “how did the American response work out”?
Well, it’s certainly not a fun subject to talk about but there’s always a point where a threat of bullying, discrimination, violence, ethnic cleansing and eventually mass murder will eventually break a population. Take recent examples of Nagorno-Kharabag ending in a complete exodus with very few casualties, or Western Sahara where clear military superiority broke the resistance against annexation.
Regarding Afghanistan: one can certainly ask the question whether more violence or the threat of it could not have produced a better outcome. NATO tried to go cheap on manpower (compared to Germany and Japan for example), instead buying off warlords to compensate and mistakely thinking the more progressive forces in the country would become strong enough to take over at some point. Had they went in heavier with less regard for collateral damage, or have a soldier looking at every Pashtun all of thetime, the result could have been very different and, dare I say, better
Yes they are aiming militants, never said they’re consciously targeting the populace, just appalled at their indifference towards civilian deaths as ‘acceptable’.
The IDF/war council is seemingly a-okay if they have to kill 10, 50, 200+ civilians to get at Hamas mid-level commanders - is that okay with you?
Well if you agree that it’s a question of how far you’re willing to move the slider, it’s a question of empathy. But when you say “aimed at the populace” that implies you believe they’re using Hamas as an excuse to kill innocent civilians.
Do you honestly believe Israel would not prefer Hamas to assemble somewhere in the desert away from any civilians so they can take all of them out with a single bomb? Do you believe the Israelis would be sad if Hamas surrendered?
Again, the displayed indifference towards civilian suffering is the core issue. Declaring the south as a ‘safe zone’ pre-ceasefire was a moral move (with disasterous humanitarian results), but now the safe areas are capricious defined and aren’t static,
Regarding the “one bomb in the desert” question? Any other year, yes I’m sure they’d prefer that. But Bibi was already in serious legal trouble before Oct.7 and is openly deferring that issue until after the Hamas war. Keeping the conflict open, progressing slowly, or unresolved buys him time to find a way to stay out of jail.
Is this an excuse for wanton murder of Gazans? You tell me? Certain elements of the coalition have openly made statements that at best call for displacement of Palestinians. Cutting off fuel, food, and water to a region under blockade, while those people are displaced and simultaneously refusing to allow aid in is ghoulish.
And who is enabling that indiscriminate bombing, Joey boy?
Not worried about killing kids just worried how it will make him look.
It’s the neoliberal way.
A few hundred dead Palestinian kids isn’t going to worry a wealthy neoliberal. Not their kids, not their country.
But “bombing targets going unbombed” fundamentally means “profits going unprofited” and that’s an idea that brings a neoliberal out in a cold sweat.
Ultimately, Biden’s statement is just his part in the pantomime. He’s doing the “left-wing neoliberal” thing where he does exactly the same horrific shit as the right-wing neoliberals, but he frowns while he does it.
If he doesn’t frown hard enough, he might lose the election, but it’s not going to stop the children being blown up or the neoliberals profiting from it.
2 months ago they cut off electricity, gas, food and water and now they lose support?
So does he agree it is “indiscriminate bombing”? Because I think there is another words for it called “war crime”!
I’m so tired, so very tired of the theater of American politics using human lives as sacrificial pawns, all so that the song and dance can continue for time immortal. There’s no end in sight, is there?
What about the shelling with White Phosphorus? Want to say anything about that?
Surely a sharp finger-wagging will get them to stop
Bibi stepped in it by announcing that he out and out rejected the US proposal. Bibi also has no fan club among most American Jews.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
President Biden offered sharp criticism of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government Tuesday, calling for a change to the approach embraced by Israel’s leadership — which Biden described as “the most conservative” in Israel’s history.
The president said Israel was beginning to lose support around the world due to “indiscriminate bombing” in remarks made during a fundraiser in Washington, and urged Israel to seek a long-term solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
He added that he warned Netanyahu about repeating mistakes made by the U.S. after 9/11, while reiterating his support for Israel’s mission to “take on Hamas.”
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Where are they getting those bombs!!! Fucking world governments.
There’s been lots of misleading headlines on this, but this is the first time they didn’t at least include the full quote in the article…
“We’ll continue to provide military assistance to Israel until they get rid of Hamas, but we have to be careful – they have to be careful,” Biden said. “The whole world’s public opinion can shift overnight, we can’t let that happen.”
He’s not criticizing Netanyahu, and he’s still saying he’ll support him no matter what.
But for literal decades now Biden has been saying that to Israels government, and they’ve literally never listened, and Biden has never stopped supporting them.
Why the fuck are people acting like either is going to suddenly happen now?
Because people are desperate to think Biden is a good person.
We voted against trump and so people want to defend their choice.
The problem is there is no defense for his actions.
