Mr Biden’s speech is his first major campaign event of the 2024 election season
President Joe Biden marked the third anniversary of the January 6 attack on the Capitol by warning that the issue of American democracy will be “what the 2024 election is all about,” as he runs against former president Donald Trump once more.
Mr Biden, who spoke near the Valley Forge historical site where George Washington and the Continental Army were encamped during the winter of 1777 and 1778, told attendees that they were there “to answer the most important of questions: Is democracy still America’s sacred cause?”
“This isn’t rhetorical, academic, or hypothetical. Whether democracy is still America’s sacred cause is the most urgent question of our time,” he said.
Mr Biden said his speech, his first major event of the 2024 election season, was “deadly serious,” and about a topic that needed to be raised at the outset of his campaign.
1/6 - Never Forget.
This is the consequence of putting conservatives in power.
Not only that, but if they get in power again, there won’t be a “next time.”
Project 2025 - Never Forget.
Indeed, Hitler’s first coup failed as well.
Massive efforts deprogramming cultist behavior needs to be priority. How does one get through to these people, or do you just write them off as broken and focus on those you can save or still on the fence? (we know this is the strategy of the Right, after all).
How does one get through to these people, or do you just write them off as broken and focus on those you can save or still on the fence?
The only tactic I’m familiar with that can actually get through to the self-centered conservatives is called Deep Canvasing, and it’s quite effective.
Had not heard of this technique being applied outside qualitative research (although its goal is the opposite of qualitative research, the methods are near identical). Thanks for introducing me to this.
Now. We just need to find one, just one billionaire on our side to fund it.
That’s great, but like many other efforts, it’s only really effective face-to-face, one at a time. There are millions of these people who have been mass-brainwashed by media targeting them in the hundreds of thousands.
We need to combat that with similar efforts, or we’ll all be dead before it works.
What we really need is for anti-cult psychology experts to team up with viral video producers to make loads of deprogramming content that will actually pierce the snowglobes. And we need it yesterday.
God damn did they setup that name for Fox News to scream it 24/7.
Beware the extended conversation with the communist, the colored, and the witch!
Is democracy still America’s sacred cause?
With one of the shittier implementations of it in the world, I think it’s not. Capitalism seems more sacred to the US, anyway. In a truly democratic system, the US would have a decent and cheaper healthcare system, a sensible way to report taxes, a political class actually responsible to the people, no “political dynasties” etc.
Also, Biden wouldn’t be president, or at least he couldn’t campaign as a protest candidate against Trump.
Trump is not “willing to sacrifice democracy”. He’s actively fighting against it. The guy is not behaving like “democracy is important, but me being president is importanter”, he’s going “I lost because of democracy, so let’s get rid of it”.
American healthcare system is very good and affordable for a large majority of Americans. Sure it sucks if you’re poor, but most Americans are not poor.
Taxes are not that hard to do. The vast majority of people get a single income statement from an employer and use the standard deduction. Could it be better? Sure but it’s not bad for most people.
American healthcare system is very good and affordable for the vast majority of Americans. Sure it sucks if you’re poor, but most Americans are not poor.
Taxes are not that hard to do. The vast majority of people get a single income statement from an employer and use the standard deduction. Could it be better? Sure but it’s not bad for most people.
This is just…
My god dude. Try living in another country for a while. You’re speaking like an abuse victim who keeps defending their abuser. The US’s societal infrastructure, including health care and taxation, are 50 years behind the rest of the developed world. Americans pay top-tier costs for bottom-tier society.
“Sure it sucks if you’re poor” is the kinder sibling of saying “Got mine, fuck you!” Being poor sucks everywhere, just by nature, but the entire point of societal programs is to uplift the poorest and make it suck less, not to give handouts to the rich so they can say “Well geez, at least I’m not poor!”
“Sure it sucks if you’re poor” is the kinder sibling of saying “Got mine, fuck you!”
Yes it does suck. I didn’t say it was perfect, or that I was a fan.
But our healthcare system works very well for most people. Acting like it doesn’t work for some people is just ridiculous.
IDK if this guy is a troll or has never been poor.
I have been very poor. Idk why you guys keep harping on being poor. Most Americans are not poor.
Acting like it doesn’t work for some people is just ridiculous.
I’ll just say it again and leave it at that: you need to spend some time in other countries. Not at a tourist, but as a resident. Your eyes need to be opened.
I have better healthcare than people in the countries I have visited.
This sentence is not accurate for all Americans.
Right. And you are only looking at things vs how they compare specifically to you. Thus, your eyes need to be opened.
Do you think youve in anyway shown we don’t live in a democracy?
The KFF Health Care Debt Survey finds that 41% of adults currently have some debt caused by medical or dental bills.
https://www.kff.org/report-section/kff-health-care-debt-survey-main-findings/
So sure, ‘most’ in the technical sense in that more people are not under medical debt than are. But ‘works’ is questionable even for those who aren’t.
“In a truly democratic system, the US would have a decent and cheaper healthcare system”
I was responding to the OP.
We’re not poor. We’re also over $10,000 in medical debt. Anyone can get sick. Sometimes very sick. Even if you say you have a good immune system because you exercise and take care of yourself.
And before you say it, we have good insurance.
I didn’t say people don’t get sick or don’t have medical debt
You said it is “very good and affordable for the vast majority of Americans.” I already showed you elsewhere that over 40% of Americans have medical debt. How is a system where 4 out of 10 people go into debt just to get the care they need “very good” or “affordable?”
In a democracy which of those groups would win an election?
You didn’t answer my question: How is a system where 4 out of 10 people go into debt just to get the care they need “very good” or “affordable?”
“very good and affordable for the vast majority of Americans”
It’s good for the 6 in 10.
You can always say, “it’s not that bad” but what I’m saying is that it’s worse than in much of the world.
In the places I’ve lived, if I got sick, especially if I got a long-term sickness, I am not just not paying for it, I get money from my insurance, so my life doesn’t go to shit because I can’t work. And the healthcare systems here are cheaper. My insurance costs around a grand a month, and there are no copays, maximums, deductibles or other bullshit. I am not bearing the risk of me falling ill. And it costs the state less than the US is paying for what they have, both per capita and in total.
And with taxes. I haven’t done my taxes ever. I get a mail saying that my taxes have been done for the year, and I should check it out, I usually have a look if I don’t forget. It is also a cheaper system on both my side and the state’s.
Do you think that means we are not in a democracy?
Why would I? It’s also a stupid and loaded question. Where is the limit for what is a democracy? Sone people may say Russia is a democracy because there are elections. Some other people might say there are no true democracies besides Switzerland with its very common direct votes on issues.
That’s what this entire thread is about.
Never before has a president been more right.
No, he’s actually off base and being a complete dumbass. Trump IS NOT “willing to sacrifice” democracy. He’s actively fighting against it. He actively wants to tear up the constitution. He is an active enemy of the country.
Biden still does not realize the threat he is ignoring. He still has no idea HE is supposed to DEFEND democracy, not just talk about it like a proud father. Democrats are truly pathetic and incapable of standing up to fascists. His tepid words reinforce that point.
bOtH siDeS!
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I think Biden understands the threat of Trump, but he also understands that screaming at people isn’t going to be effective at convincing them.
There’s probably a lot of people that would reject the statement of “TRUMP IS TRYING TO DESTROY DEMOCRACY!” but may be receptive to the message that Trump is “willing to sacrifice democracy.” And yeah, anyone that doesn’t already understand what Trump is trying to is an idiot, but Biden needs idiots to vote for him just as much as the people that understand the consequences of another Trump Presidency. But Biden already has the votes from the people that understand the threat Trump poses.
He shouldn’t be yelling at anyone. He should’ve been quietly working behind the scenes to get the FBI rolling on all investigations and gotten his piece of shit AG to get the ball rolling, too. Instead, the FBI sat on its ass allowing investigations to sit undone and Trump kept merrily showing off top secret docs…
Trump IS an exception. There IS NO PRECIDENT TO SET by prosecuting him properly. Criminals should not be treated special just because they were a politician. That is beyond pathetic of any country.
We literally mock other countries that do this kind of pussyfooting double standard shit.
Trump is currently being prosecuted in two federal cases. What do you want? For him to be prosecuted without a trial?
For this shit show tp have gotten started ASAP. It’s not like it was unclear on Jan 6th what was happening. The fact he’s still LITERALLY FREE three years later is fucking hilarious to defend regardless of what lazy pathetic atfemp has been made.
There is no precedent to set. A fucking criminal already cannot be the president.
The Democrats treating the rise of fascism as if it isn’t a blatant affront to the constitution itself is fucking pathetic. This country is pathetic when the enemy has white skin and citizenship. There’s zero hezitation with any other citizen.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Mr Biden, who spoke near the Valley Forge historical site where George Washington and the Continental Army were encamped during the winter of 1777 and 1778, told attendees that they were there “to answer the most important of questions: Is democracy still America’s sacred cause?”
The president said the violence that day was the “one desperate act” left available to Mr Trump, and pointed out that even though Republicans in the House and Senate — and their allies on the Fox News Channel — had “publicly and privately condemned the attack,” the disgraced ex-president and many of his allies have chosen instead to accept a revisionist history, in which the attack was a peaceful protest and those who’ve been arrested for committing crimes that day are political prisoners.
The president’s appearance at Valley Forge comes as the Department of Justice marked the three-year anniversary of the January 6 attack by noting that there have been 1,265 arrests made of pro-Trump rioters, including 452 who’ve been charged with assaulting or otherwise obstructing police officers that day.
But the president noted how Mr Trump has chosen to lionise those criminals, and how he had “began his 2024 campaign by glorifying the failed violent insurrection at our capitol”.
Mr Biden contrasted the late first president with the disgraced 45th and his supporters, and pointed out that many of the rioters who stormed the Capitol in support of Mr Trump passed by the iconic portrait of then-General Washington resigning his commission as a general in the Continental Army at the end of the American Revolution, setting a precedent of civilian control over the military that persists in the US today.
Continuing, he reminded attendees that the painter, John Turnbull, once called that moment “one of the highest moral lessons ever given to the world” and recalled how Washington “could have held onto that power as long as he wanted”.
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Does he think Trump’s followers don’t know that?
They want that.
No one ever accused them of being smart
Trumps as cold as ice
He is willing to sacrifice our democracy
You want paradise
But someday he’ll pay the price, I know
Sounds like the political version of a Foreigner song.
Posting articles with the word “slam” in headline should result in a permanent ban
Writers of articles generally don’t write headlines and people who share them are supposed to post the headline as-is. It’s not worth ignoring an article solely because an editor wrote a clickbait headline.
I was just making a joke, I know I can just filter that word out of my feed, your replies are always so dead serious lol
Rings really hollow when the Democratic primaries are being cancelled in states like Florida where the Democrats are literally rigging their own elections to favour Biden.
You know the political parties are private organizations, right?
And? If Biden really cared about democracy as much as he says, then he’d come out against what’s happening in Florida and North Carolina even though the moves benefit him. Him not calling out the bs in his own party when there’s three other people running for the spot if you include Cenk Uygur makes this message of “I will uphold democracy” ring really hollow.
Private organizations or not, these are people who have spent the time, effort, and campaign funds to have a shot at being the Democratic nominee, and all this election has shown to date with nonsense like this is that there needs to be massive reforms to both the electoral process and how the media covers it. Williamson was polling about the same numbers on the Democratic side as Haley has been with Republicans, and she’s been getting zilch from the media in comparison despite the fact that Biden isn’t even on the New Hampshire ballot (which that in itself, is an issue).
Sir, as long as you sit idly by and do nothing, and worse arm and fund the killing of innocent civilians and veto cease-fire attempts you are a piece of shit.
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Marianne Williamson ought to run in the Republican primary.
She’s got no less chance of winning.
There’s no such thing as a definition of Republican anymore, so she might as well widen it further and in better directions.
There’s plenty of people there who need to hear the more sensible parts of her message, and even more crazy ones who will be attracted to the loonier parts.
Yes let’s blame the virtually powerless person no one knows the name of for undermining our democracy and not aging career politicians who have done nothing except enrich themselves through insider trading and backroom deals
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What a weird choice of words. It’s like saying “I’m willing to sacrifice this mosquito who’s been pissing me off for the past hour”.
