Yeah, because it couldn’t possibly be that Americans are opposed to genocide.
For fuck’s sake, Pelosi. Witch hunts are supposed to be a Republican thing.
wouldn’t be the first time Russia has done something like this, that said, how about we stop supporting genocide and it won’t matter
Wouldn’t be the first time democrats have done this, either.
The best propaganda in the world is the truth. I wouldn’t even be surprised if the Russians were signal boosting Palestinians in some way. Doesn’t mean we should keep supporting a genocide though. Israel fucked up.
They’re absolutely boosting Palestinians. Russia wants to prove to the world that Israel is carrying out a genocide, and that Israel/US are heavily leaning on international entities to delay any meaningful condemnation from bodies like the ICJ or UN. Russia wants to highlight the moral hypocrisy of the West, and prove that Palestinians are being exterminated
This is not because Russia cares about human rights. Rather it is because they want to paint the United States/The West as obvious hypocrites with no moral standing. Which will enable Russia to commit larger atrocities in Ukraine without meaningful rebuke. After all, these same international agencies permitted the genocide in Gaza, who are they now to condemn Russia when they massacre an entire Ukrainian city? It also will provide cover for China’s invasion of Taiwan, and their further suppression of Uyghurs in NW China.
Israel is certainly engaging in genocide against Palestinian. But this crime, and the US’ whitewashing of it, will be used by Russia/China as cover to carry out their own escalated human rights abuses. And by that time, the US will have lost its moral leadership in the world and Western international institutions will have similarly been shown to be utterly useless puppets of America. Which is all a very bad thing for the weak and non-nuclear peoples of the world
Yeah, but that was always going to happen. Using it to silence protest is… Maddening.
She gets intelligence briefings and does not interact with normal people. So I’m sure that genuinely colors her perception of reality on this matter. Plus she’s old and has never lived in a time where Americans oppose Israel to this extent - so of course she thinks it’s all astroturfed rather than being genuine
Doesn’t excuse her behavior, obviously. But there is a plausible explanation for it aside from her being evil (which she is, but other factors are also at play here)
While it’s all certainly Americans, and we don’t like genocides, she is correct in assuming that Putin wants Trump to win, and this would be an effective way to further that goal.
Don’t forget Putin was KGB.
I imagine it’s more through social media manipulation and misinformation than FSB funding, I suppose I could be wrong. By way of example, though, how many times have you heard that white phosphorous is banned, even though that’s not exactly true?
FSB is using social media among other things. Active Measures is one of primary ways how they operated and they adapted it well to the Internet age.
Have you thought how come that antivaxx people also have very pro Russia anti EU, anti UN anti NATO views?
Covid was a great catalyst in spreading disinformation.
Same thing with far right people in US and Europe, how come their views are mostly pro Russia and how come they greatly overlap with antivaxx?
I wanted you to be wrong, but you’re right.
Thanks for providing a link.
I’ve honestly just stopped doing that explainer because Israel is using it illegally.
True. But the propaganda line doesn’t acknowledge the distinction, and just tries to spread the idea that the US does not care about international law, which is false.
Ahhh yes. I had someone run that with landmines too. According to them we can’t get in compliance with international law until we de-mine the Korean DMZ…
Landmines are also not banned. There’s a lot of subtly misleading bullshit on the internet.
There is a section on them that most of the world has signed. It’s basically the US, Russia, and China that haven’t signed.
It’s a little more complicated than that, because there are many different kinds of landmines. Nobody bans them all.
[sarcasm]
That sounds like what a Russian propagandian would say.
If that’s not a word, it should be a word. Lets also rename the continent to Propagandia while we are at it.
Thank you, Flying Squid. I couldn’t agree more. The Trump-resemblance in attitude on her part has been disheartening. BTW, I tend to really like your comments. Have a good day.
Thank you, you too!
Imagine how out-of-touch you have to be to represent San Francisco and not realize sincere antiwar protesters exist.
She represents San Francisco’s billionaires. She has nothing to do with people making median incomes.
So in her world, support for Israel is a universally shared opinion
Having said that, it is in Russias interest to highlight the very real genocide in Gaza. By demonstrating the obvious hypocrisy of the Western “rules-based” order, they will make it easier for Russia to commit further atrocities in Ukraine. And for China to invade Taiwan. And America’s ability to credibly resist those efforts will be diminished - after all, the US enabled Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians despite international condemnation, so who is America now to object to the murder of Ukrainians or the annexation of Taiwan?
Aren’t you actually proving her point?
You’re saying that among protesters there are sincere ones.
A call for investigation means that there is a belief that among sincere ones there are also insincere ones trying to spin shit up.
Edit: of course downvotes. It isn’t even a secret https://www.mei.edu/publications/essential-questions-about-russia-hamas-link-evidence-and-its-implications
It’s an easy way to silence people you don’t want to hear. Someone who believes there’s sincerity in the sentiment doesn’t start off with: “For them to call for a ceasefire is Mr Putin’s message. Make no mistake. This is directly connected to what he would like to see.”
It doesn’t really matter what you justify it with afterward, you’re still essentially saying opposing “war” in Gaza is supporting Putin.
It also implies that anti-war protesting is something that is problematic and should be looked into. Or, rather than being pro-Palestine is wrong, and that it’s a sentiment that has to be caused by foreign influence.
Enough with the Hamas sideshow bullshit. You don’t have to be a Hamas supporter to be upset that Israel is indiscriminately killing Palestinians. At this point, anything Hamas did on 10/7 pales in comparison to Israel’s response.
It’s no secret that there are corrupt politicians either. I think we should investigate this ghoul and her financial ties to supporting genocide first before we use the secret police on citizens expressing a desire for peace.
If she was calling for both pro-Palestine and pro-Israel protest groups to be investigated for potential monetary ties to Russia, then I’d consider her claim to be more valid.
Sure, but lets also investigate the House for financial ties to billionaires.
…and Russia, probably.
And investigate both sides - Russia will support both extremes in any issue that causes unrest in Western democracies. So investigating only one side is a useful propaganda tool but kind of misses the mark.
Financial ties? She is a billionaire.
Vietnam war all over
“Foreign agents are brainwashing our youth to be against the war”
Man, these fuckers really fucking hate their base.
What the fuck, Nancy???
She’s been woefully out of touch on a lot of things for at least a decade at this point
We’ve gotten to the point that America is like one of those sci-fi dystopia movies where the council of elders rules the nation, kept alive artificially while the people starve.
More like a mr house from fallout new Vegas. A wealthy libertarian capitalist ruling over his lessers while being artificially kept alive.
I see it more like a cyber punk dystopia where mega corporations rule over everything and can do whatever the fuck they want.
You guys are getting paid!?
Turns out you don’t need to get paid to support Palestinians, you just need to not be a huge piece of shit!
Wild I know.
I am once again waiting for my Soros Check. Is there a helpline I should call?
Yeah, but in roubles. May as well be monopoly money.
Anything to not have to stop a genocide.
Or at least stop supporting it.
This cunt needs to go the fuck away.
Shouldn’t we instead be investigating the politicians currently in office that we have a really good reason to believe have a monetary tie to Russia and have a mountain of evidence of being coerced or controlled by them due to said politicians’ past actions (going to a secret meeting to Moscow on July 4th, ect)?
Yep, but we won’t, because they’re paying people to pose as leftists supporting Palestine in order to get all the others riled up on that cause using half truths. This drives the attention towards the left (the primary intention of Right Wing propaganda). We can’t ever change this until people stop being afraid to admit the truth about the Right Wing.
No, no, no. We have to capitulate to them.
What an utter bitch. Your finances are the ones that should be investigated.
Sadly, she’s following the rules that she and her colleagues made. That’s the worst part
Following the rules has no relation to behaving ethically
The rules weren’t given to us by God or any moral authority - they were written by lobbyists and trllion dollar corporations. Aka, entities whose self-interest is radically opposed to that of a normal American
What an Unusual Whale. In a market that averaged just under a 25% return in 2023 Pelosi managed to get 65%. Surely this has nothing to do with the fact that she and her close colleagues are in charge of regulating industry and allocating government money. It’s just that she’s an extra smart and talented trader. And so are a lot of her colleagues. Like, a lot lot. Beating the market is the only thing Congress is good at.
Brian Higgins is killing it.
Wish I was getting paid to support Palestine.
Yeah, pretty sure the money is on the other side.
Let’s concede that the people organizing protests are receiving money from Russia. Is that actually a criminal matter? Apparently Trump’s campaign working with Russia wasn’t.
It’s only legal when it’s Israel doing it.
Dividing the party sounds like a Russian ploy. Can we investigate her first?
Netanyahu has much to gain from a Trump presidency too.
Then he should be thanking Pelosi right now.
Pelosi is just saying that opposition to genocide means you must be Russian, which is what I keep hearing from pro-genocide centrist Democrats on lemmy.
I don’t get why those same centrists are turning on her.
She’s obviously corrupt, as evidenced by her investment history. And her recent actions come off as overly performative and tone deaf, like when she kneeled while wearing a Kente cloth. Aka, she has bad aesthetics, and neolib voters only see politics through the lens of aesthetics
More importantly, it’s probably true that Russia is involved in spreading inflammatory propaganda on every side of every hot button issue in the United States. Their goal is to divide us and to erode our establishments moral standing. So they very likely are boosting both pro Palestinian and pro genocide messaging to accomplish that goal.
Russia is involved in spreading inflammatory propaganda on every side of every hot button issue in the United States. Their goal is to divide us and to erode our establishments
Exactly, everyone should be realizing this by now. China, Russia, Iran, and more are all probably doing this all of the time, because they have seen how effective it is to destabilize our democracy that they fear. People’s basic brain processes are drawn to the inflammatory news, and social media algorithms promote these things to get views because it makes them money. It all rolls up together into a giant ball of shit that’s crushing everything that’s good.
Yeah exactly. Which in no way negates the fact that there is a very real genocide being carried out by Israel with the support of the United States. That is true and is real and needs to be stopped.
But it is in Russia/Iran/China’s interest to exacerbate tensions on all sides of such a genocide, including by generating and boosting inflammatory social media content that is seen by Americans. A consequence of which is that a record number of Americans are seeing Israel’s actions for what they truly are, which is good - but this is not being done for remotely altruistic reasons
There is no genocide lmao. If israel wanted to, Gaza would be gone tomorrow.
“There is no genocide - if Germany wanted to, the Jews would be gone tomorrow” - You, in 1935
Exactly.
All these contrarian takes telling pelosi that she is wrong when iran and russia admit to this manipulation is insane.
I have to been on lemmy in weeks and wont be for many more.
This network is a cesspit
Source for Iran and Russia admitting this?
