• TWeaK@lemm.ee
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    Excluding all the ancillary services, including the lasers that maintained the plasma, which was the principle part of this latest test.

    Factoring everything in, they’re at about 15% return.

    This is still very good for this stage, but the publications are grossly misleading.

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      I want to add that experimental reactors used for scientific research might never become net energy positive and that would be fine. Their purpose isn’t to generate profit, it’s to learn more about the physics, so it will be more valuable for them to be adaptable than efficient.

      However, that doesn’t mean that you can’t take a configuration that has been shown to have potential and make a reactor that is more efficient than adaptable and use that to generate power for the electrical grid.

      Basically, they have two different purposes.

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        Absolutely. Also, the fact that the reactor was only running for a short time plays a part. Usually there is a significant energy cost in starting and stopping, which is offset by running for a long time. However, these reactors are not designed for continued running.

        It’s all a process of development, and even though the article is perhaps a little sensationalist, they’re making good progress.

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      9 months ago

      but the publications are grossly misleading.

      I think you’re only referencing the headline, the article itself clearly states what you said

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          When one says a publication is grossly misleading, it certainly implies the entire publication

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              You’re not wrong, but we also should stop excusing, normalizing, and accepting wildly exaggerated for sales purposes titles of articles.

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                We should stop accepting lies.

                Unless there is some way this reaction actually did produce twice the energy input, it’s not misleading it’s a lie.

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            Why have we accepted the standard of misleading headlines? “Oh well you didn’t read the article, I guess you and 90% of eyeballs get to be fundamentally misinformed” is an unhinged take.

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              I never said a misleading headline was acceptable. I said the publication is not misleading and that it covers the criticisms dude up above was leveling.

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            “article” vs “publication”

            Two different things.

            The link takes you to an article. Publications are in actual scientific journals, not intended for popular consumption.

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          What was your question? I only read “is the” and thought I could base my response off of only that.

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          When I see “publication” I assume it’s the actual scientific paper and not the article reporting on said paper.

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          It’s easier to nitpick than it is to interact with the actual argument.

          I agree with you. The headline is misleading, and I think it devalues the article.

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      If anything has been consistent about fusion its always them desperately trying to spin babysteps and monumental leaps forward and trying to make themselves seem super clean and safe especially compared to fission.

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        If anything has been consistent about fusion its always them desperately trying to spin babysteps and monumental leaps forward

        That’s usually the media outlets sensationalising the results to the point where the articles are grossly misleading.

        trying to make themselves seem super clean and safe especially compared to fission.

        That’s just a fact, no need to try. The Fusion process is inherently safe the radioactive byproducts are generally short lived and easier to handle.

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          If publications keep misreporting your work, stop talking to them, and see different publications with a stronger commitment to the truth.

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          Fusion is not inherently safe. It has significantly higher rate of neutron discharge for the enegy produced which can damage the reactor vessel and potential to cause nonfuel material to become radioactive.

          Ontop of any power disruption of the system has the potential for radioactive plasma to escape with nothing even remotely equivalent of a SCRAM to bring it back under control.

          The only reason fusion appears safe right now is because its all still developmental phase and any issues are being handwaved as prototyping issues and not treated like the actual potential catastrophes they are.

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            The total mass of reactants in the fusion chamber is below milligram, some of which is bound in stable isotopes. Even if all of it escaped, it would be far from catastrophic.
            The reaction itself cannot run away on its own because it requires a delicate balance in temperature and density, which will be immediately disturbed if there was a breach in containment.

            The walls will be activated by neutrons, but short of blowing the reactor up, there’s not much chance of materials escaping in a significant amount to pose a danger.

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              Just for comparison: The nuclear safety requirements of a fusion reactor are ballpark those of the radiology department in your local hospital: An accident will give you, if you’re unlucky, a dose on the order of a dental x-ray. Decommissioning involves letting it sit there for 100years until it has cooled down to ambient radioactivity levels, if you’re cheeky you could send it to a place where the natural radiation levels are higher and declare it cool much faster.

              Why does noone talk about those ludicrously strong magnet fields and gigantic vacuum vessels? You’re standing right next to a massive volume of practically nothing and are worried that something leaks out?