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      Would anyone or anything in heaven eat? Hunger is but a manifesting of the unimmaculaticity of flesh.

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          Thanks, it is fun to play with language. I almost went for the more boring “maculate”.

          I find something comedic about a Germanesque mash of prefixes and suffixes. Maybe one day I’ll stumble across a newfangled word that can live in the cupboard of our collective vocabulary.

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      Nothing. They do nothing but sit at the feet of god’s throne and worship him for all eternity.

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                I bet if the cats weighed 90 lbs that’d be a different ratio but the lack of opportunity is still a point in their favor.

                No housecat is going to maul a child if they jump your fence either.

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                  I bet if the cats weighed 90 lbs that’d be a different ratio but the lack of opportunity is still a point in their favor.

                  Those claws can hurt you man, they’re sharp as hell, but they choose not to use them

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          In aus at least cats are pests that kill baby birds are single handedly responsible for putting hundreds of speicies on the endagered spieces list and have helped many go extinct so maybe a cat didnt hurt him maybe a cat just hurt the enviroment he loved.

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            Yeah cats kill birds like no other. They help us humans to extinct a few more species, best bros ever.

            Doesn’t matter, for each dead bird we breed 100 chicken that get produced into nuggets.

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              Those billions of chickens wouldnt exist if it wasnt for humans WE ARE their evolutinary niche we are the very reason they exist. And well we aint making chickens extinct are we.

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                Hell yeah bro. The only reason those chickens get to live a grueling two months inside a hot, windowless shed caked in filth, barely able to stand because they’ve been bred to grow so large is because of us humans. You’re welcome chickens.

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                  What about those poor bacteria living in our assholes in a windowless gut caked in filth unable to stand is because co-evolution with humans your welcome shit eating bacteria.

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      If God is real then he’s a sadistic psychopath who would make it a reality show format.

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        I’d make it purgatory-style, where you’re stomped and ripped apart by farm animals you’ve eaten, and only then you get to heaven, have a cuppa tea with them and laugh about it.

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          I had this same conversation in the middle of nowhere with a farmer. And for just a moment, a hint of a second this massive bloke quietly said “do you really believe all those animals would be up there?” I doubt I changed his mind overall but maybe gave him pause for thought.

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        To be fair, you had that ceasefire in Christmas 1914 where British and German soldiers decided to stop fighting and play football together

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        I don’t believe in heaven and hell but imagine if religious preached “following order to kill = going to hell”

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              I dont got one but most wars have been religiouse in nature but ur right ww1/2 might skew that a little simply due to larger populations being sacrified. But then again there has been thousands of years of religiouse wars throughout history someone shoudl do the analysis i recon it would be close.

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                A quick search gives 7% for the proportion of religious wars of all wars, which makes the claim that religious wars killed the most people unlikely.

                I hate religion as much as the next guy, but you don’t have to make shit up.

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            I’m short on the time to rabbit-hole into this (although the time period fadcinates me), but I’m fairly sure the Romans, after executing Christ and persecuting all of His crazy not-useful-to-Caesar “love thy neighbor” pacifists wherever they could be found, realized it’s hard to eradicate something like faith.

            So they worked on a way to adopt a palatable State-friendly version of the faith that says “Hey, you can still follow your God as long as you pledge yourself to Caesar. Patriotism is Godly!”

            …and following that playbook is how we got the Vatican, and much later the US co-opted a bunch of humble God-fearing pacifists into thinking work for its own sake is worship, some people are more human than others, Jesus wants you to support The Troops™, and it’s ok to compete with your neighbor and obsessively chase great riches.

            This State-friendly-free-market Jesus propaganda is SO effective it’s unreal. It all sounds like it makes sense as long as nobody actually opens a Bible and churches are reduced to self-help seminars with prayer sessions.

            The Bible warns against taking oaths, has commandments against idolatry and putting others before God, and other State-unfriendly passages…and yet the US has convinced everyone it’s a “Christian nation” while it coerces its children to “pledge allegiance” to…a flag. That oath is expanded and further consequential to those who choose to become soldiers.

            Jesus tells us to love our enemies. Obviously He’s against murder and theft. He tells us to be truthful and not break our promises…but they’re so ready to salute a country’s fabric idol and promise to go kill whomever it points them toward.

            This indeed creates quite a predicament for the soul.

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            Religion itself is much older then the abrahamic branches.

            I am not sure if the romans or christians would even exist by means of the butterfly fly effect.

            Of course, i am just dreaming about a hypothetical scenario but things like murder and theft were recognized as wrong very early on in the human timeline but genocide the neighbour clan and rape where not.

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              Murder and theft were always recognized as wrong when the people were doing it to each other - rulers always had different rules for what they are allowed to do, and preferred to promote the religions that solidified these privileges.

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            Exactly. Religions that survive and get promoted are the ones that can thrive in the society they are living in, and that generally requires fitting into the political world of that society.

            Religions that criticize the powers that be either overthrow them then become complicit with the new leaders over time, or they get marginalized. Priests had to deal with kings, one way or another.

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              I really doubt Hitler was the type of guy to repent, nevermind actually care about God.

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                All Nazi bucklers had the words “God mitt uns” on them.

                And Hitler wrote plenty of times how he was a devout Christian in his diaries.

                There is a reason why he started with gassing Jews and not black people or anyone else that was even further away from what he would consider the “Übermench”

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                  “God mitt uns” was in use in Germany since 1701. Hitler only pretended to be a Christian for votes. Hitler also mass murdered people with mental disabilities. Anyone who wasn’t “Ubermench” were people who weren’t aryans. Plenty of Slavs were sent to Auschwitz, and even some French as well. Hitler’s motivation for the Holocaust was far from Christianity. It was based in scientific atheistic eugenic ideas.

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                  I mean if he was that type of guy he wouldn’t have flirted with paganism and committed genocide

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    ITT

    Commenter 1: I love killing and eating one of those animals of similar intelligence and sentience! So sad the one I don’t eat is sad.

    Commenter 2: I don’t understand the downvotes

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      “Hardly anything is evil, but most things are hungry. Hunger looks very much like evil from the wrong end of the cutlery. Or do you think your bacon sandwich loves you back?”

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          This might be a news flash, but food is a need. Not only that, but food and diets are formed during young ages and food networks take lifetimes to build.

          Even in your perfect little world, if everybody ate vegan right now, we would eventually hit a point where somebody is eating meat.

          So yes, unless you have secretly set up vegan food distribution networks to the entire planet overnight without everybody knowing, a bacon sandwich becomes a necessity somewhere.

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            My point was that a bacon sandwich in particular is not a food need that’s hard to replace nutritionally by existing foods. People eat it because it’s super tasty. I would bet there is a very small percentage of total bacon eaten in the world that is eaten out of necessity (impoverished family eating their raised livestock).

            It’s a bad faith argument to make the assumption that I think the change should happen overnight instantly. And it’s simply a bad argument that someone somewhere would have to eat meat eventually. It takes a LOT of crop farming to provide sustainance for the meat industry.

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            Arguments on purity bore me, one way or the other.

            Less ecological impact is better than more ecological impact. Less suffering is better than more suffering. Cheaper food is better than more expensive food. Somewhat healthy diet is better than a diet Lancet is warning you about (ie: too much meat, especially red meat) Using less resources to feed more people is better than using more resources to feed fewer.

            Every step from a modern western diet with way too much meat (the one Lancet warns about) to something more reasonable brings benefit basically in relation to how much meat you cut. You can argue that we can’t reach the absolute, but it strictly does not matter. If you try to reduce meat and succeed as much as you reasonably can, things improve. You don’t have to be a part of this, but surely you realize this is the case?

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            There are already food distribution networks so what are you blathering about?

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              A huge portion of the goods that fills that distribution network is meat, ranches, and non vegan farms.

              You purposefully left out a key word on your food distribution network claim (vegan) and are playing dumb as a coping mechanism against reality.

              How are you going to replace all of that at scale before lunch?

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                Are you unaware of how markets work? You’re pretending like the person you’re responding to is the arbiter of all food production and consumption. Buy vegan, more vegan food gets made. It’s been happening for decades and as the number of vegans climb, the amount of vegan food increases.

                There’s really nothing difficult to understand about that. If SO MANY PEOPLE go vegan that you literally go to the store and can’t find ANY vegan food (this won’t happen), then vegan food production will ramp up extremely fast, and this will only be a temporary issue as producers acclimate to new demands.

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                  This doesn’t change anything about the point I challenged.

                  As of today, a bacon sandwich is a need u till you handle the issues of supply and demand or culture shift over time.

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                An even greater portion is distributed as animal feed. In fact, 1/3 of crop production is fed to livestock at about a 10:1 calorie conversion. The land and resources exist, it’s just a matter of people realizing that animal products aren’t a necessity for much of the world. I also don’t recall anyone saying this change would have to occur immediately, it would obviously be a gradual transition.

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                All I’m hearing is you say, “unless we can do this in an instant it’s not possible”

                There’s already a vegan food distribution network lol, part of the food distribution network. You seem hostile to the simple idea of change for a greater level of humanity. Why?

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                your food distribution network claim (vegan)

                You do realise that this is your own claim, right? Nobody else is talking specifically about vegan food, lol

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                  Yes, it was my claim that he responded to and filtered a word from

                  Good job, ypu found out what I’m talking about 👏

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      I love eating all animals. They all should have the same rights to become a dinner. Stop opressing dogs and their rights!

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      I haven’t had the opportunity to eat dog meat but I’m told it is very good

      Also a pig that size would make a good pet

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    Yeah i had a pet pig for a week, i miss him but boy did he taste good.

    I hope everyone downvoting is a life long vegan.

    Or go learn where meat comes from