From its towering white steeple and red-brick facade to its Sunday services filled with rousing gospel hymns and evangelistic sermons, First Baptist Church of Alexandria, Virginia, bears many of the classic hallmarks of a Southern Baptist church.

On a recent Sunday, its pastor for women and children, Kim Eskridge, urged members to invite friends and neighbors to an upcoming vacation Bible school — a perennial Baptist activity — to help “reach families in the community with the gospel.”

But because that pastor is a woman, First Baptist’s days in the Southern Baptist Convention may be numbered.

At the SBC’s annual meeting June 11-12 in Indianapolis, representatives will vote on whether to amend the denomination’s constitution to essentially ban churches with any women pastors — and not just in the top job. That measure received overwhelming approval in a preliminary vote last year.

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    1 Timothy 2:12 is fairly clear on the matter.

    But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    but the flip side is they can ignore that just like they ignore prohibitions on eating shrimp and wearing polycotton blends.


    As an atheist I don’t have skin in the game either way.

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      As an atheist I don’t have skin in the game either way.

      You do, because religious extremists constantly use their texts as an excuse for why they have to support certain legislation.

      Everyone that say they have to be against abortion or LGBT people existing because their Sky Daddy said to, also think other stuff like what you quoted needs to be law too.

      They just know they don’t have the political power yet.

      But if they could, they’d push for women to not be allowed to hold office, have a management position, or even vote.

      This 100% effects all of us, regardless of if we believe in their Sky Daddy.

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      Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

      -Matthew 5:17

      Christians interpret this as stating they don’t need to follow the Old Testament rules as Jesus has fulfilled them and has established a new covenant with his death on the cross.

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        Yes. This. What was considered clean and unclean to eat was amended in Peter’s vision in acts 10. So was clothing and much else of levitical law during jesus’ gospel.

        Even Paul’s writings about women speaking above men needs to take into context that the church in Ephesus (modern day turkey) was led by young Timothy. The theme was pretty strict to reestablish a baseline of roles and law to apply to Ephesus, which was seen as very immoral, murderous and rebellious. I mean Paul says people should stay celibate and not marry because this can complicate a person’s relationship with God.

        Without going too deep, no, this doesn’t mean women shouldn’t teach because “god” demands women to be inferior/subjugated.

        If that was so why did God use women as prophets and leaders?

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      I don’t care what they do as long as it doesn’t affect me or people who don’t believe as they do.

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      Why does that Bible have restrictions on textile blends? I can rationalize most of the others as generalized health restrictions but that one baffles me.

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    Fun fact, Southern Baptists are a thing because they split off from the Baptists so they could support slavery.

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      Funner fact, they won’t let women be lead pastors for men, but they will allow women to be missionaries to other men around the world.

      Basically a woman can’t be a pastor to white Christian men, but those other men out there? That’s fine.

      Racism is thoroughly baked into their theology and worldview.

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        Funner fact, they won’t let women be lead pastors for men

        As a point of fact some Southern Baptists Churches do allow, and have, Women as Lead Pastors.

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          Did you forget what the article is about? Those churches are likely getting kicked out.