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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that’s the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

    • Wogi@lemmy.world
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      13 days ago

      We’ll just do what trains do.

      Replace the battery with a massive diesel generator. Run that to get power to the electric motors.

      Best of both worlds!

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        12 days ago

        Some trains. In most of Europe, trains are electric and get their power from overhead lines (same for trams and even some buses).

        On the other hand, many large ships are diesel-electric. And those gigantic mining haulers as well.

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            12 days ago

            There are some much nicer more modern ones for those not into the post-Soviet-Republic esthetic. The super-long articulated trolley buses are fun.

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        12 days ago

        I think there was a Renault that worked like this. I think the main issue is that you need a decently sized battery that can supply enough power or else the ICE needs to start every time you hit the gas pedal like was the case with the older Prius models and then you might as well connect it to the wheels and you can have a smaller electric motor.

        But batteries keep improving and you can pull more power per kWh now. Maybe with solid state batteries this power train could become the more affordable option.

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        12 days ago

        Best of both worlds!

        This is a joke, right? Efficiency is atrocious.

        Hybrid cars were a topic in germany a few years ago. Laws provided funding for them too (grouped as EVs), despite their huge weight and low efficiency. I think it was solved since then?

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          12 days ago

          The “Best of both worlds!” was the part that should have told you that it was a joke. That and the fact that the statement is purposely ridiculous.

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          12 days ago

          And almost fully do at highway speeds with how everything is geared

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        13 days ago

        Electric vehicles a bad product for 95% of people right now. When is America just going to invest in public transportation.

        Pouring billions of dollars widening highway widening projects and giving automotive companies a tax break to charge a premium on electric cars has always been idiotic.

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          13 days ago

          What do you mean by bad for 95% of people? 95% of people drive less than 60 miles in a day. Which is something that can easily be recovered overnight with a standard 15 amp outlet not even a special dedicated charger they would have been fine with early electric vehicles much less what we have today

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            12 days ago

            Pretty sure they’re the type to think that if you live within a mile of someone else, any car is bad and every non-walking movement you make should be with public transit. Basically the fuckcars type.

            (For the record, I get the frustration on the reliance of cars in everyday life. But the last mile problem is real and getting a practical transit option outside of moderately-sized cities is pretty much impossible)

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              12 days ago

              How many of you guys live in a house you own and can install a fast charger or have reserved parking with even an outlet. How many charging stations are available on your routs. How many of those chargers don’t get vandalized and the copper cables cut off with bolt cutters. How many of you guys can afford a typical EV and the cost of charging at a fast charger on your salary.

              Most importantly how does it solve the issue of long distance travel, driving in cold weather with reduced range, and towing. If anyone read my post I said EVs are not ready for 95% of people yet.

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            12 days ago

            It pretty much boils down to living in a small town where there are no chargers and if you’re renting especially there is typically no place to plug in. Also issues with not being able to make road trips that don’t have chargers along the way, reduced range in cold weather, and if you need to tow it’s pretty pointless in an EV.

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          12 days ago

          I agree public transport is the better option, but electric cars are a good option for the vast majority of people as long as we’re going to need cars.

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            12 days ago

            I agree but if you can’t park near an outlet and you have no charging stations in your town it’s pretty impractical to own one. Everywhere I’ve lived so far that’s the case for a lot of individuals. There’s also issues with long trips, reduced range in cold weather, and towing being pretty much pointless in an EV.

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          12 days ago

          Do you really believe that 95% of people live in the USA? Guess what, you’re wrong. And for 95% of population electric cars are amazing.

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            12 days ago

            We can be civil, no need to be combative for no reason. If you like electric cars that’s fine, I like electric cars too but we don’t all live in California.

            Most people live in apartments here and the only charger available was closed down because maintenance and upkeep was too much for the community center that installed it.

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              12 days ago

              I don’t live in the US, but I do live in an apartment. There is a charger at my parking and plenty on the streets.

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                12 days ago

                You live in the city? I’m just curious, I’ve noticed cities typically move much faster than small towns if at all. I think it’s really cool you have that kind of luxury to be honest.

                I live in a small town that tries to be modern but it often results in something like free wifi city wide that doesn’t really work or a walking path that goes from an Indian park to the opposite side of town for some reason. The one charging station was one of those things that didn’t work out but it was neat that they tried.

                They are trying to lay optical fiber and trying to convince people to sign up, its super expensive compared to privately owned ISP’s but better than coax I guess.

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                  10 days ago

                  Yeah, I live in a city. In London to be more specific. But on street charging options are growing fast all over the country, you can read more here and you can find a map with all the spots there as well https://www.zap-map.com/ev-guides/on-street-charging

                  The idea behind on street charging is that infrastructure is already there (lamp posts, etc), adding charging points is relatively cheap and that will generate additional income for the local councils. So it’s a win-win for everyone.

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          12 days ago

          Your Lemmy instance is running under Estonian domain and yet you still imagine the world as just USA

          • nexussapphire@lemm.ee
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            12 days ago

            I mean I live in America, my perspective will be American. I’d argue Americans are typically really into cars and the freedom of the open road. I mean we pretty much made electric cars popular so I don’t get your point.

            I don’t know the state of Estonia but I do pay attention to the rest of the world. Most European countries that embrace and properly build out public transportation have happier citizens, livelier public spaces, and healthier business overall.