• Reality Suit@lemmy.one
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    The company is responsible. Waymo should get the citation. If there were a live driver, the driver would get the citation. If companies want to start going down the route of AI, then whoever is in ownership or responsible for training, should be responsible for the actions of the AI.

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      Arizona law does allow officers to give out tickets when a robotaxi commits a traffic violation while driving autonomously; however, officers have to give them to the company that owns the vehicle. Doing so is “not feasible,” according to a Phoenix police spokesperson

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        I’m not sure why the police say it’s “not feasible” to issue Google a citation. Google are the registered owners of the vehicles and thus responsible for any actions it performs, just mail them a ticket?

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          I’m just speculating, but there is probably a very efficient workflow for sending a ticket to an individual (given the number of tickets police write and the revenue they generate), and I wouldn’t be surprised if the workflow doesn’t accommodate an AI operated vehicle. Kind of like how a restaurant would need to restructure its workflow to accommodate DoorDash.

          In other words, “infeasible” might actually mean “would take extra effort”.

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            I thought the laws in the USA prevented this. It’s why you have manned speed traps because citations must be handed over personally to the driver while other countries have automated speed check systems and send the ticket to the owner of the car, and that can be a leasing company for example.

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              how about you tape/glue copies of the ticket over the lenses of any exposed cameras and allow Google to figure out the logistics of how to pay the ticket?

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            Then the vehicle is being operated unlicensed. Impound it, suspend the registration, and fine the owner. That’s how it works for everyone else.

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      Corporations are people until a crime is committed, at which point you can’t punish a corporation for a crime a person commits.

      I don’t understand it, but apparently that’s how it works.

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    If a human did this, they would at least get a ticket with a fine, and have the violation recorded on their license which would be revoked if it kept happening. With the computer controlled car, the cop called customer support and was like, “hey you might want to look into it or something.”

    I guess we can’t expect the people hired to protect capital to act against capital, but it’s still a bit disturbing.

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    Isn’t a company at least responsible for the safe operation and training of human drivers? Wouldn’t it be the same for the training of self driving cars?

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    We’re still so far away from this technology being viable for everyday use, aren’t we?