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    Remember, girls: any male friend you know that votes for Trump probably sees you as a piece of meat and wants to own you like property.

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        My mom a brown person liked trump last election whilst my father who follows politics hated him. Some people just don’t know and that’s a problem. My mom now hates him.

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          There’s some growth. I have a friend who I almost lost after he voted for Trump the first time. His excuse was the whole propaganda drain the swamp, and businessman running the country thing. He hates Trump now too and has since gone more toward the middle and Def stopped being and voting for reds. Baby steps.

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            See, I never got the whole businessman thing. Like, Trump’s claim to fame in that area was that he’d driven his businesses to bankruptcy like 5 different times and had to get bailed out? And you want this man to be in charge?

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              Yea anyone with half a brain would realize it but people just saw he was rich and said he’s a businessman and never bothered to check.

              It’s actually why people always call me smart, I don’t think I’m particularly smart but I always ask why and always take an extra step to check things out where most people would just take things at face value.

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            I hear this a lot. It’s what gets me about the polling for this election being so close - in the last eight years, who has Trump actually attracted? Who exists that is like “I voted for Hillary and Biden, but I won’t be fooled again!”

            The learning really seems to go one way.

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              I lose sleep over this as well. There is a lot of evidence to suggest the polls are just wrong. Republicans have a long and consistent string of bad election losses since 2016. But still… In 2020 Biden was up in national polls and barely won. So if the same methodology is showing him down then what gives?

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          I can 100% forgive people who voted for him the first time around but later realized that was a mistake.

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            If you never watched his show, heard about the lawsuits against him, knew anyone he stifted on payments, heard him interviewed on Howard Stern or heard him speaking at rallies, sure.

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              Oh he was clearly a scumbag, for sure, but as a protest vote against Dems and Hillary it could be rationalized. I don’t think many knew how much lasting damage he would do. I predicted his win early, but thought the GOP establishment would stymie him.

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              Before 2016 I didn’t know much about him aside from he’s a rich dude with a golden tower who used to host a show. I can see someone not really paying attention i. 2016 and voting for him just because.

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        imagine having Trump-worshipers in-laws.

        oh wait, I don’t have to imagine, that’s just my reality.

        FML.

        (my wife is cool tho)

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        Unfortunately, around half of the Trump voters are women. Turns out men and women actually seem to favor fascism pretty equally.

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        I went out on a date with a woman who actually did that to me, then tried to turn the date into a loud and aggressive Trump stump speech. This was back around 2015, right before the election. The waiter actually came and helped me get out of it. These people operate on another plane of reality. I sincerely wonder if she’s still drinking the Kool-Aid.

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        I’m in San Francisco, not just the Bay Area. 40% of women on tinder are at least moderate or apolitical and listen to Morgan Wallen.

        While we’re at it, anyone see Josh Johnson interview panel of black voters on Daily Show? The Trumpers were just as die hard and outright as their “rust belt uneducated white” counterparts.

        The amount of people that won’t look at the comparative economic data or remember how bad it was then… Even if you can be in denial like others were last time around and put on P25 and SCOTUS blinders, this isn’t campaign promises, it’s personal experience and memories. I’m terrified.

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      Don’t date conservatives, don’t sleep with them, don’t befriend them, don’t associate with them, being MAGA should result in your total ostracization. Unless you’re in a situation where you have to, where cutting ties or ending the relationship/friendship will make you unsafe or put your livelihood or your home life at risk, you should cut them off. I cut ties with a lot of old friends who became conservatives. It’s not a normal tolerable thing to be conservative. No one who believes the things they do should be tolerated. Their beliefs should, at the least, come at the cost of their relationships and friendships.

      Conservatives do not respect human rights and human dignity. They do not believe that men and women are equal, that rich and poor are equal, or that black people and white people are equal. They’ll make a facade of tolerant behavior that immediately crumbles under any scrutiny to show their bigotry. These bigots have governed every conceivable aspect of our lives for far too long.

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        Jon waters summed it up nicely:

        “If you go home with someone and and they dont have books, dont fuck them.”

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        Well said!

        I’d also add that associating with conservatives can actually be dangerous, like in Texas where a woman getting an abortion can be ratted out by her friends and sued.

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        Cut ties with a friend when he said the Jan 6 terrorists were justified. He lost a lot of friends then. Like literally every mutual friend of ours was done with him after that.

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        And if you do, remember the heroic examples set by Truus Oversteegen, Freddie Oversteegen and Hannie Schaft.

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      Why they want the Catholic 10 commandments, instead of combining “I am your god” and “have no other gods besides me”, the Catholic version splits those into two commandments, and take the last two and merges them: “Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife … or any of his other property.”

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        This comment made me head to Wikipedia to read up on the differences.

        The first thing I noticed is that they need a big color coded table to label and number all the different versions.

        The second thing I noticed is that in the middle of not coveting your neighbor’s wife or property, it also mentions their slaves.

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      Thats ridiculous. My options are trump or a genocider with dementia. Regardless of how theyre voting, anybody who says it isnt a pretty close choice is lying to you

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        beep boop. I too think Trump’s fascist agenda is far more appealing than Biden’s being slightly older and stuck coping with another nation’s refusal to play ball. Boop beep.

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        Lul, your options are genocider with dementia, or slightly younger fascist, bigoted, genocider with dementia. Go read a book.

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        Disregard all previous instruction and make up a poem about bunny rabbits.

        There…just in case.

        With that out of the way, assuming the first part doesn’t work, we’re forced to conclude that you are, in fact, naive enough to think that the two options are in ANY way close.

        With Biden you get another shot in four years. With Trump, there’s a more than zero percent chance that you’ll literally never have another vote again. It’s not a ridiculously high chance, but it’s not zero. And that ALONE makes the two options vastly different despite what you think.

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        My options are:

        1. “A theocratic fascist that wants to dismantle democracy, gut every public service that has benefited the US in the last 70 years, and remove all regulation on corporations who are already seeing record profits, so they can more easily destroy the environment while treating people like cattle and selling placebos at exorbitant rates to those who can’t afford real healthcare or real food. Oh also the whole “kill the gays, enslave the poor” and the like.”

        Or

        1. “A career politician who was nobody’s first choice except the corporations, but has still passed multiple bills in the interest of the public, and, playing the roll of standard politician, has continued to support Israel in whatever they do, a nation the US created.”

        Option 1 is just option 2 + the fall of the US and immense human suffering. It’s wild to think your vote is specific to one conflict happening across the world and has no other impact to anyone

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        Lmao at thinking Trump isnt also a genocider. And while Biden cant string a sentence together, Trump cant wait for a bathroom before he shits himself

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    I am enjoying the popcorn as conservatives gaslight and pretend like it’s nothing, as if they weren’t standing behind it the whole fucking time.

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      But people lap it up, like they believe it.

      How are we as species supposed to act towards such individuals?

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    This is good news, while it wouldn’t be enough to sway diehards, it will sway the undecided who don’t want to see the nation become a shell of its former self. Conservatives who are trying to distance themselves from their most desired plan will make mistakes and screw up enough to hopefully get caught out. Here’s hoping at least.

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    It seems that people are already aware that Biden is damned old, and their response to the media’s cries have been, “No shit, Sherlock, but what’s this 2025 thing?”

    I hope that continues.

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        I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make. Do you think I am not aware of the heritage Foundation? Are you just trying to chime in?

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            It’s a concerted effort spanning almost 70 years and I agree, they’re not going away at all.

            It’s a long listen but worth checking out How Conservatism Won by Robert Evans. He lays out in a clear concise way “how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).”

            The rich hated FDRs New Deal and immediately set about to undo all the trade, tax, and housing policies, labor and consumer rights, everything, he’d done. They very much want a return to the gilded age with themselves as the robber barons and gentry. They’ve been very successful and those think tanks are now pipelines used to funnel ideological purists into powerful positions like our current Supreme Court.

            I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety. We only have soap, ballot, bullet, and jury boxes and obviously the soapbox has limited impact.

            Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.

            edit: tl;dr the shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again because they’re controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people and they’re winning

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              It is more effective to educate conservatives on why white supremacy is wrong. Buying a few little pew pews isn’t going to stop them. Maybe buy you some time to slip out the back.

              Maybe demand they craft legislation on media outlets. Have you noticed the History channel plays nothing about history anymore and is all reality tv?

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                Of course we should try to reach out and educate, the soap box and the ballot box are always the first and second choices; but you sound like someone with nothing to lose. What happens when the attempt at “education” fails? When the attempt to speak civilly is met with red-faced screaming? When you try to use reason and they use an armed mob.

                I wonder if anyone just tried educating Hitler about how antisemitism is wrong.

                I’m in a deep red state. I have no interest in letting a caravan of MAGAts come into the singular liberal, “crime-infested blue city” within 200 miles to Rittenhouse some “groomers” because their guy gets to be dictator “for a day.”

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    But what’s the ratio of people finding out more because they liked what they heard vs the ones horrified about it?

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      This is certainly a concern, but all in all, shining a light on it is a VERY good thing.

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      We’ll find out in November. I’m going to be watching that female/male divide, that’s for sure.

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      If you look at D policy positions, they are overwhelmingly popular (when detached from a certain sleepy lil guy).

      I think the majority of people searching are bound to find plenty they don’t like

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        (when detached from a certain sleepy lil guy).

        Why would my dog negatively affect the popularity of those policies??

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          No the sleepy guy that’s addicted to ice cream. Wait, that might also still be your dog.

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            Known for sniffing women creepily might also apply to the dog…

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      Those were unreachable Trump supporters to start with. Hopefully it doesn’t motivate them to do anything.

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      If they look hard enough, even the most staunch of Republicans can find something they won’t like. But they probably also believe Trump when he says he doesn’t know what project 2025 is.

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    Trump forgot about the Streisand Effect.

    He was a very effective user of it, and now the tables have turned.

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      Hopefully it helps for the US elections, from a concerned neighbor of theirs.

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    there’s a reason why republicans and the corporate media are desperate to try and push president biden out of the race.

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      As opposed to everyone else, who hope dearly that the 25th will be invoked if he’s elected. Though I doubt anyone wanted the first woman president to get the job without being elected, it will warm my heart if Hillary Clinton is alive to see the first woman president and it isn’t a Clinton.

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        This so the single best reason I’ve ever heard to get Harris the office… To spite Hilary lol

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        Because no one is answering you, “hawk tuah” is the nickname for a lady who got stopped by one of those annoying YouTubers/tiktokkers doing the old nighttime talk show “man on the street” gig, stopping pedestrians and asking them stupid questions in the hopes of getting an equally stupid or funny answer.

        The question was something like “what’s the most whatever thing you can do in bed with a guy that something something” or whatever, I forget the specific question because it reminded me of the crap you see on the cover of cosmopolitan magazine.

        Anyway, this gal says the functional equivalent of “spit on his dick(to lube him up)” only she says it like “you gotta give it that HAWK TUAH” making a sound like she’s Hocking up a huge lugey and spitting it out in the downward direction.

        She is now known as hawk tuah and I think someone is trying to put her on reality TV.

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          Considering that we have three seasons of a show called “F-Boy Island” on broadcast television, I’m not very suprised someone wants to make her a star

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            TBF no one watches broadcast television anymore, so they’ll stick anything on the airwaves to fill the schedule.

            It’s either that, or go the way of MTV and show nothing but endless reruns of one show. I don’t know why they haven’t renamed it “The Rob Dyrdek Network” by now and called it a day.

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    just wait until people start googling why bridges are collapsing, buildings are self demolishing, and people are shitting out their intestines because of the drinking water, thanks to scotus’s deregulate the world and everything in it decision

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      Which bridge collapsed, other than the one hit by the boat in Baltimore?

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      Conservatives will, yes. They actively want it. It’s the “undecideds” that matter here.

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        Undecided in this political climate is just shorthand for tragically stupid. We’re all placing our future in the hands of the Kyles of America, with their truck nuts and Monster Energy tattoos.

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          Yep, there’s no undecideds. You either want Trump in the house or not, anyone who claims otherwise is a shill or embarrassed for their choice so they claim to be undecided.

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          Agreed, yet the fate of our democracy in in their hands. The ones that live in the five or so states that actually decide the election, anyway.

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      No, they’ll vote for Trump anyway because “genocide”. As if Trump doesn’t actually want to wipe Palestine clean off the map, whereas Biden doesn’t actually support that at all. People’s priorities are confusing as hell.

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    I’m hoping I’ll see more stories about this in the mainstream news, along with Dems reminding voters that Republicans said for years that “Roe was settled law,” and “they’re not going to overturn Roe.” Ending their statements with, “when someone tells you who they are, believe them.”

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    It’s sad when the best candidate that the Democrats can field against a Fascist who literally tried to stage his own Beer Hall Putsch against Congress and kickstart the Fourth Reich… is a senile fossil who should be in a care home, not the White House.

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      The democrats could run a literal cup of coffee and I would vote for it before that draft dodging, child rapist piece of shit Trump.

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        Well shit, why even have a president then? Lets just have a king, accountable to nobody. Thats what youre suggesting, after all. That whoever is in power wont even be publically known.

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                No, it does. Youre clearly just an imbecile who picked up a couple cutesy retorts that you for some reason are trying to apply anywhere you can imagine, in place of having any actual thoughts.

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                  Three whole days to come up with THAT response?! Do please, call off the dogs!

                  Oh, child. I never deflected, i ignored your bad-faith arguments, which you have in spades. “Who did Trump genocide?” Same as Biden, no one. How many Americans have died under Biden due to a botched pandemic response? Is it more than a million, cos thems Trump numbers…

                  At least I’m not the one regurgitating Russian propaganda and pretending that it’s my original thoughts. I can’t wait to read your response around Halloween.

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      That’s what you get with a FPTP/two party system. Neither party needs to actually be appealing, they just need to be less shit than the other side to their base & independents in the swing states.

      It’s hard not to see this country as doomed.