My money is the kid saw the 2025 agenda and despite being a conservative leaning person was still appalled at the idea people would vote for a fascist again.
My guess is it was the Epstein document releases.
I mean, possibly you’d have to be living under a rock to not have seen all the images of Trump and Epstein together.
But the investigators say he “had no strongly held political beliefs”.
IOW he’s republican and they don’t want to broadcast it?
A lot of conservatives think trrmp is a traitor, too.
I mean, they should. The evidence provides.
But they usually think he betrayed the extremes of their bigotries rather than the country and general decency.
My father, a lifetime Republican before Trump, and still a rather fiscally conservative man, was actually conflicted on whether or it would have been better or worse if Trump had died on that stage. He openly calls the man a Fascist these days.
Trump may be a Republican, but it’s actually rather generous to call him a Conservative.
It wouldn’t surprise me if someone would think Trump’s death might return us to the Conservatism of the past, but I think that’s flawed. The Republican party has always been on the wrong side of social politics, and there’s no turning back from the stain of fascism on the party.
The Republican party has always been on the wrong side of social politics
I mean, in 1865 they were pretty OK.
The shooter was supposedly a fan of history, a history buff. Let’s assume the meme about men thinking about the Roman empire was true. The guy might’ve been a fan of democracy, looked at the fate of the Roman republic, saw the writing on the wall, and decided that he wanted to prevent that, and also make history in some way too.
That’s good news for the coming election. But I still fear he won’t ever be punished for his numerous crimes, the biggest yet to come, the pedo rape connections from the Epstein papers.
He’s half a billion in the hole and is a historically convicted felon, he’s definitely facing consequences. Also, his own zealots are shooting at him.
I want to see what happens with the election from fraud scheme.
My largest concern is the supreme Court granting the President actual immunity.
I keep hearing about some pedophile case with Twermp here, but I don’t know what everybody is talking about, did something new come out?
A judge released the Epstein papers recently, with the names all numbered ‘doe’, to protect the rich and famous pedophiles from the public eye. Sleuthers on the internet have match trumps movements and actions up to ‘doe 174’ as most likely as trump. Some suspect the shooter motives might be because of this reason.
Maybe what I saw was fake but I saw what seemed to be a legal document laying out that Trump and Epstein competed to see who could rape a 12 year old first, and Trump won.
One good deed does not redeem the entire sect
If Trump were to trip down the stairs and break his neck, that would be one thing. Becoming a martyr is another. And becoming a martyr while still alive is even worse.
Hes only a martyr to the imbecilic koolaid drinkers. The rest of us see him as a cancer that needs drastic excision
Yeah but half of Americans stand behind him lol
OK but there are a fuckin lot of koolaid chuggers
Fair to Midland. His first election was because they didn’t think they didn’t need to show. Hopefully we convince people to show.
Was it really a good deed though? Because by missing, he gave Trump a shit load of political ammunition.
Trump is going to take this crisis and abuse it for every vote it gets him, and it’s gonna get him a lot.
Trump is going to take this crisis and abuse it for every vote it gets him, and it’s gonna get him a lot.
So what you are saying is that Trump is a “Crisis Actor” lmao
He hasn’t though. He buried this story with his VP pick and the documents case.
Trump burying news about him with more news about him is to his advantage. And I guarantee you Trump will continue milking the assassination attempt. It isn’t buried by a long shot.
It’s an interesting question. If someone could go back in time to try to shoot Hitler but ended up missing, would it still be a good deed?
Hardly an if, that’s essentially what actually happened:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
Fascists will always use a crisis to gain more power. If the Rechstag fire had actually killed Hitler, then yeah, it probably would have been a good thing. But in the end it didn’t, it just gave Hitler more power. This situation with Trump isn’t much different.
Granted, hindsight is a big factor here. But I think I’ve made my point.
They also said he was a terrible shot.
I’m not even kidding. He tried out for the school shooting club and they asked him not to come back because they considered his poor shooting and gun handling dangerous.
school shooting club
Maybe they should name it something else…
No, I think that’s an accurate description
Imagine if his motivation was to prove he had great aim and that they did him wrong. Maybe he just wanted to become the most well known sniper-assassin in the modern world. Maybe that’s the reason he didn’t use scope, he wanted his memory to be that of the rifle maverick. I wonder what went through his head after he realised he missed. I mean, other than a bullet.
He didn’t use a scope?
I’ve heard that “no scope” detail elsewhere too. But would love to confirm it or have it disproven.
It is the detail that I keep coming back to that would indicate something about his state of mind, lack of rationality, lack of time, something.
Nope. He used an ar style rifle and nailed that shot 300 yards away. A fly fart could have been the difference between Trump’s loss of hearing and his loss of brain.
I heard it was shrapnel and not a bullet that got Trump’s ear.
LMFAO! I had a feeling he was conservative. It don’t know about a terrible shot, he got damn close but if his school had a shooting club he was probably still better than someone untrained but could still be bad enough not to make the team. Like when I got cut from golf, a no cut sport, half way through the first day
What merit is a person’s political affiliations if they’re mentally ill?
Actually, super relevant. It shoots down (pun intended) any attempt to blame this on Dems.
Straight to finger pointing, classic. Yes, let’s figure out what political party the mentally ill child belonged too so we can blame it on that sides politics. Lol
He’s a bad shot because anyone with any bit of training or even youtube experience knows to aim center mass. More chance of hitting. I picked up shooting for sport in 2017 and can hit center mass with iron sites at the distance this kid was. With my cheapo scope, I can hit out to 300 yards.
He tried lolz x-gamer headshot and failed miserably.
Maybe he did aim for the center…
And that would be even worse for a stationary target.
Trump was almost certainly wearing a vest
No way would USSS be able to get his fat ass to wear a vest consistently, let alone the plates needed to stop a rifle round. In this heat?
Though I’m sure now he may reconsider, or be forced to.
Like all bullies, trump is a coward. Wouldn’t blow my mind if he wore a vest before he even ran for president.
I believe their entire suit is probably lined for events like this.
Edit: so people stop with the dumb ‘scifi isn’t real’ BS about body armor, I was merely stating that there is definitely a possibility that he could be wearing small arms rated Kevlar under his suit, or have it sewn into his ridiculously oversized suit, and be wearing higher caliber plates protecting his center mass.
It isn’t unreasonable to think this, and it could make sense to take a headshot if you suspected the possibility of something like this, over going for the one shot chance of a center mass hit to kill your target.
Sure, I could have worded it better, but he COULD have small arms sewn into that terrible suit, and he COULD be wearing plates protecting his center mass.
A hit to a vest definitely has a real chance to kill him. Vests distribute the impact, but they’re still massive chest trauma for a 70-something dude.
Absolutely it could. Vest or no vest, I don’t want to get shot. But “aim for center of mass” is only the rule of thumb when the center of mass is unprotected. Otherwise, it becomes “aim for the material specifically designed to stop bullets” which is not a great rule of thumb.
It also depends on the bullet and rifle, I kinda doubt there are many bullet proof vests that can br qord under clothes that can hold up against a .308.
But im gonna hazard a guess that some 20 year old trying to do an assassination was probably using an AR-15 chambered in 5.56. Which I would coin flip on if the vest could handle it or not.
And not one Republican or prominent journalist will point out that this is mostly due to the decade of rhetoric from the conservatives that political violence is the answer.
“It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate.”
Trump is the Republican candidate, but anyone young enough to actually believes in conservative talking points would not see him as a conservative candidate and would see him as a threat to the party.
That is true of some conservatives, which is obvious due to trumps continued popularity.
Some conservatives see trump as a bad conservative. Many see him as a good or even the best conservative.
So…. Why then? Was he one of those rare conservatives that don’t like Trump? I think I’ve only ever met maybe one or two.
Problem with American politics is there tens of millions of people on both sides of the party split who abhor the candidate they’ve voted for but that’s the candidate that won the primaries. So their options are vote their party, or waste their vote not voting, voting third party or voting the opposition party.
They usually don’t talk about it because either they are lumped into trump supporters or attacked by the former for being a liberal pansy.
I think, looking at what has been published on him, it’s pretty clear as to why he shot Trump. For one, his personality lended itself to a hero complex. He was really nice, shy, intelligent, informed, and helpful. He clearly had respect for the Republican party, but given the info on his friend group, it was likely due to peer pressure. This is mostly made obvious by his political donation to the Progressive Turnout Project he made. A project that no conservative really should want to encourage.
In all likelihood, this guy saw the direction the States was headed in and realized there was no way to stop it from imploding without resorting to extreme political violence. I imagined he was upset with the fact that he wouldn’t be able to do much through official channels in his life, so he made the ultimate sacrifice to will the change himself. That’s why this guy’s a hero in my books, not because he took a shot at Trump, but because he realized there’s nothing any of us normies can do about the States’ political situation through normal means, so he went above and beyond. He probably spent some time weighing the options as to whom to shoot, and realized Trump was the better pick.
Cynicism will definitely lead you to civil war. Go read up on the Spanish civil war. Their experience might come in handy. Political violence won’t help you get out of this polarized mess, it will drag you in deeper.
If radical change is what’s necessary. Then civil wars should be on the table. Besides, I’m sure the shooter’s goal wasn’t to depolarize the masses.
“civil war” in this country = the US military vs the side that gets obliterated inside of 1 week. the question is which side they will pick
Still, that sort of sacrifice should be expected if you want to make changes in your country (the US)
it’s the people who are trying to STOP change, or undo it, who are talking about civil war.
Yah I mean, if your narrow understanding of what war is is Trumpets trying to take over the white house than yah, I guess one would hate the idea of using violence for the greater good.
Your opinion isn’t based on anything… The conversation around that single, small donation to a “Progressive” cause is developing. Last I heard, speculation was that it was a known very spammy PAC and it was asking some ambiguous, more centrist survey question and then you could donate. People will turn their backs to a mountain of evidence to focus on a Pebble on the ground behind them.
Now reasonable assumption is A) he was tricked into donating to a cause he would never knowingly support B) He meant to graze and wound, but not kill to try to make trump a martyr C) He actually wanted to kill trump to incite a civil war or race war and figured trump would be down to be the pin on the grenade because he was delusional D) he was straight up mentally ill and he wanted trump to go meet Jesus quickly to get a medal or some shit.
What are you talking about dude? Have you read anything regarding the shooter?
I’ve met the “I don’t like Trump, but he’s a Republican, so…” Variant.
That would be a big chuck of them. It seems many support him only because they fear retaliation from the anti-democratic red hats.
If he passed, how long before the red hat movement collapsed without him as its figurehead? How long before many conservatives started shifting/distancing themselves from his memory? I would guess not long at all.
His Twitter page preached hate for Epstein and pedophiles.
He had a twitter page??
Sorry, I saw a screenshot of Twitter. Seems to be Instagram, but so far unverified.
That’s not him. the pic is a troll that immediately regretted spreading his own pic and posing as crooks.
Definitely not a Christian Conservative then.
that’s reductionist and turns Christian conservatives into a one dimensional monolith. my parents are extreme conservative Christians, creationists, maga, the whole stupid 9. they hate pedophiles with a burning passion, my mom and i were both victims of them.
there’s a whole problem with conservatives hating LGBT people because we’ve been lumped in with pedophiles for some reason, it’s their whole schtick
We’re not here to think or be reasonable, the goal is to be the most outraged.
This is an online forum, not a political debate, do y’all not understand the social contexts and how figures of speech work? Everyone posts the same sad tired comment to appear like they’ve actually contributed something meaningful to jerk their own ego
You’re just agreeing with me, but that makes me the bad guy for pointing it out.
The irony being that me saying be as outraged as possible is, of course, a figure of speech and not meant to be taken literally.
It was a horrible incident and there is no room for violence in politics…
That said, I am relieved to know that the shooter is neither an immigrant nor a person of color, or a trans person. And not someone on the left. The violent backlash from the right would be unbearable/unthinkable otherwise.
But, rifles are an old way of doing things, and predict that there will be more political violence through the next years.
First: As conservatives love bible quotes: Hosea 8,7: “They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.” Boy, did Trump sow wind everywhere. And Thomas Crooks simply was the whirlwind this time.
Second: Each and every year, about 50,000 people in the US die from guns, and politics f-ing does not care. Because they love the money from arms manufaturers and votes from the gun nuts more than the mostly innocent people who die. But once the wrong asshole gets his ear nicked by a bullet, they suddenly fall over themselves condemning violence.
You’re intentionally conflating suicides–which account for about 2/3 of gunshot deaths annually–and the violence that Trump has repeatedly called for. Both are concerning, but they’re not the same, and should not be considered as such. “Simply” banning the tools of suicide does nothing to reduce the misery.
I wonder how many of your downvoters upvoted suicide nets without a thought toward improved working conditions and wages?
But gun prevalence increases suicide rates. People who would otherwise not commit suicide end up doing so because a quick and relatively easy way out is available. Should those guns not be so easily accessible, some percentage of those suicides wouldn’t happen.
Those gun deaths are a problem regardless of whether they’re suicide or homicide. And the gun lobby/Trump is perfectly happy with all that death as long as they get their sales/status quo/money. The deaths don’t need to be the same for it to be relevant.
Different root cause, different way to correct the problem. Removing the tools doesn’t solve the underlying problem. Perhaps the suicides don’t happen; but that doesn’t reduce the misery that leads to someone killing themselves.
And, again, this is wildly different from the violence that Trump supporters are being called to.
Removing the tools doesn’t solve the underlying problem. Perhaps the suicides don’t happen; but that doesn’t reduce the misery that leads to someone killing themselves.
Often times it leads to better outcomes though, which in the end solves the underlying problem. When people don’t have an easy out and stick around long enough, usually the underlying problems get solved.
And, again, this is wildly different from the violence that Trump supporters are being called to.
Cool. I know. But it is irrelevant. Gun deaths are still gun deaths, and they should be prevented.
usually the underlying problems get solved.
That was not my experience. My experience is that I was hung out to dry and left to figure shit out on my own. I got hospitalized, released three days later, and then had two years of absolute hell. Most of the people I’ve known that were involuntarily held had much the same experience; as soon as the immediate crisis has passed, there’s no support.
But sure, tell me what it’s like being suicidal and how it’s so much better for everyone around me that I’m still here.
EDIT: I’ll keep my guns, thanks. Going out to shoot and compete is one of the few things that I have in my life that I really enjoy.
But sure, tell me what it’s like being suicidal
Nah, if you’re gonna be antagonistic and gatekeepy like this, I’m not inclined to share my own experiences. You’ll just find some reason to invalidate my own experiences and feelings. So I’m not gonna bother.
EDIT: I’ll keep my guns, thanks. Going out to shoot and compete is one of the few things that I have in my life that I really enjoy.
And in doing so you have significantly increased your chances of suicide.
Weird how it works in literally every country in the world, keep lying to yourselves though
Hangings, knives, carbon monoxide, jumping … The means are still there.
Yes. But none of those are as easy. Hanging is a long slow death if you fuck it up. Knives are pretty slow too and require pain as you go. Carbon monoxide poisoning requires a car. Jumping requires guts. A gun is a nice easy button to end it. Few things can compare with how easy that is.
Regardless of how you want to rationalize it, the statistics show that I’m correct. Simply having a gun in the house increases your chances of suicide.
Who’s to say he didn’t just want to die and take someone important out with him. In the mental state he was in at the time, he may not have even cared about politics.
I was thinking there’s no proof he didn’t do this to impress Jodie Foster. We may never completely understand
He left a note saying it was to impress Taylor swift according to fox News proving is was a psyop
Not saying the guy wasn’t, but I’m pretty sure my former classmates would recall me as very conservative, and I changed a lot.
Guy was 20, so if we’re talking high school senior classmates, that’s only 2-3 years of growth.
I changed a ton just the first 2 years of college. I had a real shitty time in high school and didn’t come out of my shell until I got into an environment where I wasn’t getting fucked with every time attention was focused on me. I didn’t stay in touch with anyone from high school but the times I ran into people from then they often commented on how different I was. I definitely became a lot less conservative after I got out of that environment where I felt like almost everyone was my enemy.
I don’t know anything about this dude but that’s what happened with me.
That’s why conservatives hate people getting educated at college. Being better educated tends to make them better people. Excuse me, I mean “more liberal”.
This guy wasn’t in college.
For me it wasn’t really the college so much as not being in that environment where a lot of people treated me like shit at every opportunity and the rest stood by while it happened. Going into the workforce also helped and I would say either of those by themselves would have been sufficient. I went to technical college so there wasn’t a lot of exposure to liberal ideas, just people treated me like I belonged instead of bullying the shit out of me or shunning me and that helped me become a much more well-adjusted individual. I’m not arguing one way or the other about the shooter because we have very little information. I’m only saying that it is possible for someone to change a lot in that timeframe.
Why are you arguing so hard that the registered Republican and gun nut who tried to kill Trump be on the left?
Are you trying to claim credit, or are you trying to assign blame? Either way, consider not carrying water for the MAGA conspiracists, and listen to the people who actually knew the guy.
Neither? I’m waiting for more of the story to come out. One kid he went to high school with isn’t a reliable source. All I’m saying is my personal experience of changing a lot after I got out of a shitty high school. I know next to nothing about the shooter so I’m not making any claims as far as what his beliefs were one way or the other. It doesn’t really matter what side he was on to me, the actions of one person don’t reflect the whole group.
I’m not sure why Trump-scale neofeudalistic reformist would be called conservative.
Yeah. That’s why he tried to assassinate the conservative candidate, right? Trying to associate someone who was mentally broken enough to attempt murder to an entire political bloc is missing the entire point.
