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      On a side note: Just the fucking fact that people would need a ride to vote also shows that

      a) Voting is too damn hard in the US. I know that the Republican party has been working (and keeps working) hard on making voting nearly impossible, because less votes is better for them, but seriously: make voting easier.

      b) The US is extremely over dependent on cars. In the Netherlands almost nobody would drive their car to go vote, you use a bike. Why? Because the cities in the country are designed for people first, not for cars first. Start modifying your cities to not require cars. Add bicycle roads, actually invest in public transportation, add pedestrian walk ways. The US sucks for human beings, it’s awesome for cars.

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        Voting is bullshit here, thanks to the republikkklowns. I’m hoping when the VP becomes president, we can remedy some of that.

        Your point on the cars. Your example country is 237 times smaller than ours. .42%. We have 342 million people compared to their almost 19 million. What works there won’t work here. It would be great to step up public transportation but that’s not the end all answer.

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          Nonsense. India’s population is far greater than the US, and they can do better elections than the US. Saying that you can’t do bicycle roads in the US because what works in the Netherlands doesn’t work in bigger countries is, again, nonsense. Mexico is adding bicycle roads. Canada is. Why can’t the US?

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            Where the hell are you? My city just added a bunch of bike roads, but that’s going to work great in the country isn’t it? Nothing like riding a bike twenty miles to town to grab some groceries and ride back in the rain or snow.

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              The vast majority of the population lives in small, medium, and large cities where you can easily commute the < 1.5kilometer / 1 mile walking, or the < 10 kilometers / < 6 miles on a bike Whether you go to work, a store, whatever, that’s easy for the vast majority of people world wide. If done well, public transportation would be a great option for larger distances.

              I’m not advocating banning cars outright, I’m advocating pushing sustainable transportation, we can reduce traffic by 70-80%, it’s a huge chunk of CO2

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      Believe this hype; You can make a difference.

      I lived in Florida in 2000. If I had recruited a couple friends, and I knew people who would have been down, and we drove vans back and forth to the polls all day…

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      Yes, I was like “Oh, thank christ” when i saw this headline, but also fear this is right propaganda to relax voters. VOTE!

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    If you’re complaining about all the people who are now coming on board you should probably just stfu and get on board with the new nominee and face the facts that people calling for Biden to exit were right and you were wrong. That it did matter and it made a huge difference.

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      Woot woot!

      She’s not perfect. Like she’s a cop and such.

      Still, she’s not raping folks. She’s not grabbing them by the pussy…

      It’s bad. But all y’all better get on board. It can be a whole lot worse.

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        I’m getting tired of all this calling Harris a cop. She was a prosecutor but you’re equating her to ACAB.

        Prosecutors are how you hold bad cops accountable, by prosecuting them. Do you condemn the prosecutors who put George Floyd’s murderers behind bars? (They were amazing!). Do you condemn the prosecutors who are holding accountable people like the Jan 6 insurrectionists, trump, bannon, giuliani, etc?

        Who do you expect to do these things or do you not care if justice is done? I’m sick of this double standard.

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    Absolutely doing my part, id love to see him fail again & the Republican party get cold feet supporting him next time around as a two time failure

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      It appears she’s looking at people who could swing a purple state, so that probably won’t excite anyone hoping for a progressive ticket.

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    If they want to have a future, a lot more of them should get to feeling zero “meh” about voting for not donnie.

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      That’s a funny have hat you have. I’ve got a grey one I cut the label off. Refuse to be owned like that. You shouldn’t be owned by someone. Make your way free. It’s a fight. I tell you this with love.

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      They just showed the party what to do in order to get them excited to vote.

      The party listened to their concerns, and they fell in line instantly. All the party has to do to get voter enthusiasm is to listen to the voters.

      You don’t get enthusiasm by ignoring people’s concerns. That’s how you get apathy and resentment.

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    Kind of bothers me that her age and gender are such deciding factors for some. I think some of these people would have voted mtg if she ran.

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      I’ve been thinking about this story for almost a decade.

      Right after the 2016 election, there was a panel with the creative teams behind US TV’s biggest political dramas. Veep, Scandal, West Wing, House of Cards, and other shows. All the panelists agreed on one point; if they’d presented a fictional character who said they ‘liked soldiers who didn’t get captured’ the networks and advertisers would have demanded that the character be shown to lose the election and be hated by all sides.

      We can’t pretend that voters will do the right thing

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      this is a more surface level take than actually saying “i will vote because she’s a woman”

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        How so? I am glad she is running she has shifted things back in favor of democrats. I just think if someone would have really cared about what would happen under another four years under trump they would have voted biden anyway.

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      That’s the only way that democracy is not in imminent danger.

      If fascism is only beaten by the same tight margin that more sane and humane (but still neurotic and cruel) conservatism was for the second presidential election in a row, that means that the second largest party in the richest and most powerful country in the world being a fascist party has become the norm rather than just an unusually persistent aberration.

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      It’s that smug attitude that got us Biden. Democrats win or lose by convincing the meh people that it’s worth their time to go vote. If they don’t go vote trump wins so they literally can’t go meh all they want if Democrats wants to win.

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          Would you like to break down your comment and point to the part where you said that?

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            No vote, no voice.

            If you want to have your voice heard—which they do—you have to vote. Even if the options aren’t amazing, you have to help guide it in the right direction. They right wing loves it when their competition is “meh”

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        They need to be more invested in their primary, mid-term, and local elections. That is the time for people to decide for better than “meh” choices. Too many people sit out of such a large part of the process. That said, I am also for throwing out first past the post too.

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          You’re not going to win by saying “the actual election is your obligation, if you had policies you were interested in you should have tried to get a different person in the primary”. The whole reason candidates change after the primary (often diving to the center) is to get votes from people that didn’t vote for them. That applies to primary voters for other candidates and people who don’t make politics a priority in their lives.

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    Am I the only one sad because a “serious” publication allows a headline with “meh” instead of apathetic?

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      It’s in quotes, so I think they made it clear they were quoting something the young people might say.

      I don’t know if they’re right that the 18-35s use that word very often, but I think that’s what they’re going for.

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        30yo here, I usually only use it to answer questions where I’m apathetic about the choices

        What are you feeling for dinner? Meh🤷

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    If you felt “meh” about doing the utmost to avoid Trump, you might just be an idiot,

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      Remember, if they’re voting in their first election this year, there’s a decent chance they were under ten before Trump emerged on the scene as a politician. They don’t remember what it used to be like. They think this is normal.

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        Shit, you’re absolutely right but I never thought about it that way.

        Jesus, we’ve let these kids down. This is all they’ve known through their adolescence…

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          There will be an entire branch of psychology opened up for kids who were born between 2006-2021. War, climate change, Trump, COVID, more war, more war? On its own, the fact that they’re not spending every waking hour in ceaseless screaming is worth writing a few papers on.

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          Jesus, we’ve let these kids down.

          Yes, and people call them idiots for wanting better than a Hobson’s choice between “genocide” and “more genocide.”

          Just look at what happened when someone listened to them.

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              Thank you for the illustration of my point. Biden isn’t running anymore. You can abandon your support for genocide. If you want to.

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                You mean real genocide or tankie illusional genocide? Because I’ll never support real muthafuckin’ G, but always point out the delusions of American antisemites like yourself.

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        Yeah, kids are allowed to vote (and go off to war, and get themselves into crippling debt) at 18 but their decision making doesn’t mature until after they’re 25. Maybe adulthood should start a little later.

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        Neither are boomers, but we’ve spent the past 4 decades doing every last thing those shitheels want.

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      It has nothing to do with his age. His brain is on vacation. Bernie Sanders is older than Biden, but if he were the nominee we’d see the same enthusiasm as we’re seeing for Harris.

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        This is the way. Age is just a number. Until it isn’t. Biden could probably, with all the team around him, finish out a second term. But the demands of looking sharp in situations like debates (which are not really great tests for doing the job, but it’s part of the performative bullshit clown show we put on for the low information voters and they will decide elections in our stupid system) was going to sink any chance of him winning this fall.

        And Bernie apparently has all his faculties and has the EQ to understand the plight of many Americans. Counting someone like Bernie out only because of the number of times they went around the sun? Impossibly stupid. And, as I keep emphasizing, more and more likely to become entirely irrelevant as things like age reversal come online.

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          I wanted Bernie in 2016 but the dem party leadership decided no on him. I think he would have crushed dumpy. I can totally see him showing up dumpy on the debate floor in place of Biden, but I don’t think he should run in 2024. Wish he was the pick in 2020.

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    … and the following 4 years the young voters will learn that votes would be forbidden, if they changed anything. :-P

    Harris would not be where she is w/o support from the elite, even if she wanted, she cannot change the system.

    Anyway, hope she gets elected, so I don’t have to suffer Trump news every single day (like now). It’s worth it for that alone, so go and vote, citizens!

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      Fundamentally I agree that only we can change the system.

      But she doesn’t seem nearly as pro Israel as Biden and Trump. That makes a huge difference. I can hold my nose to vote for a corporate servant, but I won’t compromise on genocide. There will eventually be no one left to speak out for us.

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        Wtf… So you would prefer trump over Biden because Biden is too pro Israel in your eyes? What is wrong with you ?

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      Does a question about whether or not a word recognized by the dictionary needs quotes need to be asked?