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        I guess the point is… it doesn’t matter so who cares. People used to think marrying outside your race was very very “weird”.

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          I don’t think marrying outside your race is the same thing as carrying a gun around pointed at your crotch.

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            Yeah, this is a wonderful way to accidentally escalate a situation via it falling out and scaring the shit out of everyone near you, shoot yourself in the femoral artery, or maybe you just enjoy it digging into your stomach and pelvis every time you sit down or lean over…

            There are trans people who know how to carry guns. Used to be friends with one, used to go to ranges myself.

            This is not how you carry a gun.

            There are holsters and belly bands for this kind of thing.

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      I think the idea is basically:

      Transphobe: “Tell me what genitals you have immediately.”

      Trans person: “No.” *brandishes gun*

      Pretty much just an extreme version of “mind your own business”.

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        With a splash of “that’s not a knife… THIS is a knife”

        There’s something inherently satisfying about the oppressed/harassed/accosted person who whips out a bigger stick and shuts that shit down.

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          Civil rights activist in the 60s illegally carried handguns because they would be lynched by a mob if they didn’t.

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      It’s like the author trying to make fun of anti-lgbt folks yet have them ask “which do you prefer” and also with the person having shitty concealed carry practice.

      It’s very much making fun of America of all side from what i can conclude.

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    Fuck me, hold tight. There’s a gun in your trousers. What’s a gun doing in your trousers? What’s to stop it from blowing your bits off every time you sit down?

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      Passive and active safeties, a trigger guard, a stiff trigger, and, for some, not having a round in the chamber.

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        That makes it even weirder. Why would you carry a gun at this level of quick access, if the gun itself is not quick access?

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          I’m not confident your interest is genuine, as your incredulity seems intent on maligning gun owners, but giving you the benefit of the doubt and for the edification of lemmy readers:

          while carrying a gun at the front of your torso does generally provide slightly quicker drawing speed on trained individuals and all things being equal, the “level of quick access” is not usually the reason to prefer this style of carry. Rather, many that choose “appendix” carry tend to do so for ergonomics and comfort.

          Also, “the gun itself is not quick access” is a misapprehension on your part; every feature I listed that you replied to, other than leaving the chamber empty, does not add any time to the deployment of the gun.

          And if you are genuinely curious, you may be interested to know that because modern firearms are so incredibly safe (like modern cars - its the people using them that make them unsafe, unlike the guns and cars of the past which were much more inherently unsafe in design), leaving the chamber empty is usually not necessary or practiced.

          They say that 50 years or so ago a method of drawing a pistol with an empty chamber and chambering a round in the same motion was made procedure by the IDF, as their weapons were coming from many disparate sources and shouldn’t be trusted to have functional firing pin safeties, etc., so they were trained to carry them with an empty chamber. Nowadays, carrying, drawing, and charging a pistol on an empty chamber is known as “Israeli carry” or “Israeli draw.”

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            I’m sorry; I was being sarcastic. Thank you for the reply though.

            I would like to add that since everybody makes mistakes, no one can (statistically) handle a gun 100% safely 100% of the time. E.g. a carried gun is never completely safe from theft. So no carrier is “safe”, therefore no gun is “safe”. Personally I would not use that word when referring to objects designed to do harm. I don’t think a modern car is a good analogy. A better one would be “modern guillotines are incredibly safe”.

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              I appreciate that you qualified your stated opinion with “personally,” because I agree that this is a matter of perspective.

              In my opinion, the word “safe” when applied to cars assumes we understand that traveling at 60+ MPH is itself more dangerous than standing still. Then, to call a certain car “safe” is to be using obvious relative terms; safer than this other car, rated highly by impartial safety experts, etc.

              To wit: No one in a conversation about a car’s safety would genuinely say “sure, if I buy your new vehicle I’ll be better protected on the road than any other driver of a current production mid-size sedan, thanks to all these state-of-the-art safety features, but - pray tell - how ‘safe’ can you really call this car if could be stolen from me and used to run me down?” Or “this car doesn’t seem safe, I could walk to the store and not need rollover protection.”

              I think guillotines would also work fine to illustrate the point. Guillotines are, of course, built to kill. Handled properly, I can easily imagine them being safe. If we put a rich man’s neck in it and he loses his head, that is the correct function of the tool.

              Safety is widely understood as protection from inadvertent danger. The rich man’s death was not inadvertent. The car being stolen and used against you was not inadvertent. A trained person carrying a gun is safer than not. These tools are safe.

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                Well. Since the tools are lethal, and countries implementing the death penalty always end up killing innocent people, and more guns = more gun violence and accidents, it’s obvious to me that these tools are not safe. To me, gun safety is as applicable to the real world as the perfectly straight line in mathematics, or the perfectly rational thinker in logics…

                I’m fascinated by the emphasis on protection in your (and Americans’ in general) definition of safety. In Europe, “safe” simply means “not dangerous”. From your “wildly widely (edit: typo) understood” definition, I get the feeling that you view danger as unavoidable. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on what safety would mean to you and your community, if there was no danger to protect from? Would you still carry a gun for protection if all strangers were harmless? Have you ever visited a country where no one, not even law enforcement, carries lethal weapons? Etc.

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                  “wildly understood”

                  I said widely.

                  I don’t expect to dissolve the biases between us, but if you are trying to understand my comment, pay attention to the focus on “relatively” and “perspective:”

                  Guns, and knives, and people, are inherently dangerous. That is a given, a truism. They are to be respected - humans for their innate value, and each for their capability to harm.

                  The risk of handling knives can be mitigated with respect, forethought, training, proper application, tool maintenance, etc. The fact that they are capable of hurting us should not be forgotten, but our relationship with them need not be dominated by it. In fact, with proper safety on the part of the handler, knives can be considered “relatively safe,” especially from a statistical standpoint.

                  The same can be said for guns. And people.

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      Things like this https://guerrilla-tactical.com/ and proper training. I used to daily carry as a queer person in a very conservative part of the US. But I no longer do as I no longer have the time to train like I used to and handgun skills are perishable.

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        Wow, what a fascist fucking group you subscribe to (Guerrilla Tactical)

        Not only is their entire branding “guns for civilian warfare”, but they sell Confederate Black Flag patches which originally meant “I don’t take prisoners” (“I kill everyone, even if they surrender.”).

        Their slogan is “Stay Dangerous”.

        I don’t know if you can signal “kill civilians, start a civil war” any harder…

        Gun advocates stop advocating for White Supremacy challenge (impossible).

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          I mean come the fuck on they sell a patch with a KKK member in crosshairs and text saying not in our neighborhood. Also shirts saying keep racism out of gun culture, could you be anymore of a knee jerk asshole.

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    Okay but the Foot Locker employee handbook CLEARLY prohibits carrying unofficial firearms in the front of the store.

    Turn in your badge and standard issue rifle.

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      Luckily, though, it’s clearly an official Foot Locker Nike pistol, so false alarm

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    After the olympics, it’s now “What’s in your genes?” being (willfully?) mistaken as “What’s in your jeans?”

    My answer is a knife :)

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        The smugness in the comic? The fact that every single trans person I’ve ever talked to online has been fucking arrogant as fuck about it and flaunted their transness as being better than being cis?

        The fact that all those movements preach equality but treat people differently? Get fucking real, bigot.

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              Lol, learned your online etiquette from Xbox? Why so mad, that’s so weird too…

              Y’all bringing a lot of that “all lives matter” energy, jussayin. Not sure if that’s what you’re going for, but for sure the vibe you’re giving. ✋😏🤳

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              You still don’t get it. If they actually had equality comics like this wouldn’t need to be made. Are you going to start complaining whenever women mention sexism or black people mention racism?

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                  Is that actually what you want though? Or do you actually want to hate on trans people while pretending to be impartial? I would love a society where largeley socially constructed concepts like gender norms and race didn’t exist, yet I don’t go around being combative towards minorities like you do. Think about this.

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          The irony of calling me a bigot while also espousing the view that trans people think they’re better than cis people is hilarious. There are assholes in every group, trans people included. That doesn’t mean all trans people are assholes.

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          every single trans person I’ve ever talked to online

          I’ve ever talked to online

          online

          How exactly would you know someone is trans online if they weren’t “flaunting” it? How do you know you don’t interact with more quite trans people then loud trans people? How does any of that matter? It’s online forum. If you’re angry at text on a screen, go outside and touch grass.

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      Sir, this a comic. Not a pedestal.

      None of this is important enough to warrant your level of hostility. Yeah, it’s a little cringe, but it’s also harmless. Don’t like it? Move on.

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      Treat people equally.

      Hi, I’m a male that prefers dogs and I don’t have a gun on me right now.

      I would like to apologize ahead of time for disgusting you by putting myself on a pedestal by pointing out that I exist.

      Unless my version doesn’t offend you for some reason hmmm?

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      Go. The fuck. Away. No I’m not giving you a reason, arguing with people like you isn’t worth my time. Get lost, fucking nazi scum. You aren’t welcome here.

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        You know what? You’re the epitome of the type of arrogant fuck I’m talking about. Get yourself a reality check, hope it bankrupts you with how fucking negative you are.

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          Thank you for the complement. I do believe I’m justified in telling people who believe I ought not to exist that they are, in fact, evil. If that’s a problem for you, so be it. You’re entitled to your opinion, doesn’t mean you have the right to face no criticism or judgement for your views. Just as you have the right to say such things to me.

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              And in a way, yes, “spite the haters” is a big part of it. Because the “haters” are in most cases actively abusing or discriminating against us, and we generally like to bring attention to such social issues. That’s the point of political comics. I’d hardly call pointing out evil people and bringing them up as a joke “arrogant.”

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              I’m just in a particularly chaotic mood, given your original tone on this matter… I can ensure you I’m perfectly capable of holding a normal, intellectual debate (although this isn’t the most convenient platform to do so). And yeah when people defend those who say my identity isn’t valid, the same people who’ve harassed me and abused me physically and mentally during my childhood, I’m likely to get a bit confrontational at times.

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          You’re the one who came here being combative over things that probably never happened. Someone matched or exceeded you’re level of combativeness and now you’re pissed?! Meanwhile people regularly say trans people aren’t real, or shouldn’t exist, and you completeley ignore that.

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          Actually this might be worth my time after all… I’m bored. So do tell me, why is it “haughty,” “arrogant,” etc. to exist as a nonbinary person…? Do you actually believe you have the right to ask me what genitalia I was born with and judge me accordingly?

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              Do you believe the person in the comic is justified in asking about the other individual’s genitalia? The comic is aimed at such people. If you think that’s weird and wrong, you’re not the target of this comic. But I don’t think it’s arrogant at all to be mean to such people who think we should be discriminated against based on our genitalia.

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                  Are you saying nobody actually does such things to us? It’s all a strawman, nobody actually asks what’s “in our pants”? Because I have most certainly encountered such people personally, and many of my friends have been harassed by them.

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                  You seem to have completeley missed the fact that there are real life people who are against trans people, you seem to be one of them which kind of makes me wonder how you missed this fact

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              The issue in the comic is this: a nonbinary person exists. Random bystander: “are you a man or woman?” NB: I’m neither. Bystander then proceeds to ask what genitalia they have, not taking “nonbinary” as a valid answer. Yes the enby in the comic was snarky about it. I wouldn’t do that if someone was genuinely asking, but the comic suggests the bystander was being judgemental or otherwise a jerk about it. In which case yeah, I’m gonna be mean right back.

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                  These people exist. I’ve met them, my friends have met them, and I personally have been abused by them. This is not a strawman argument, it’s a snarky comic aimed at real people who have hurt people like me. I don’t see why attacking those people is “arrogant and attention seeking.” Were not pretending to be victims, we’re attacking people who have hurt us through humor and snarky remarks… a perfectly reasonable response I’d say. I also apologize for assuming you’re one of those people, I was quick to jump to that conclusion when it looked like you were defending such actions…

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      Lots of people deny trans and non-binary people even exist. There are also those who want trans people to stop existing. That’s why people go around reminding everybody. How have you not worked this out yet?

      I have not seen trans people claiming to be better than cis people. What I have seen is cis people disparaging trans people. I’ve also seen both men and women disparage the opposite gender. I’ve even seen the constant (and somewhat sexist) reinforcement and policing of gender norms that happens within society such as girls are better at cleaning and men are better at repairing things and so on that’s mostly perpetuated by cis people.

      I say all of this as a typically presenting cis man in a male dominated field. Despite that I still have to contend with gender norms. For example I am not athletic, and do things like baking that make me stand out to other men who subscribe to traditional gender roles.

      So who again doesn’t treat people equally?

      Edit: I think you are also confusing feminists and gender abolitionists with trans people. Trans people are not the ones normally arguing that gender doesn’t matter, as it’s understandably quite important to them specifically. Gender abolitionists want to get rid of gender norms and other things associated with a person’s social gender. Feminists need no explanation but surfice to say that the majority of them are cis women.