Trump has offered praise for West, calling him “one of my favorite candidates.” Another is Green Party candidate Jill Stein. Trump favors both for the same reason. “I like her very much. You know why? She takes 100% from them. He takes 100%.”
waiting until the usual lemmy suspects show up to be like “iM vOtInG tHiRd PaRtY tHeY aReNt SpOiLeR cAnDiDaTes” my guy the republicans have literally said out loud that they are supporting these spoiler candidates as spoilers, if you’re voting for them, you are voting for trump.
The “socialist” and “Green party” posters who somehow are shocked, shocked you would call them pro-Trump astroturf accounts, when every action they take coincidentally has the effect of helping Trump.
The real giveaway is their refusal to equally assess left and right-wing threats. When it comes to voting for a democrat, any imperfection is an absolute justification for voting third party. When someone points out Trump will get into office because of it and what that means to Gaza, green policies, etc, they gish gallop and strawman until the conversation is fully derailed.
My view as an anarchosocialist is that we have to do everything we can to get the best possible result every step of the way. We don’t live in a country in the US that allows us to vote any way but strategically. We must always be assessing what the best outcome we can get in any given situation is. Unfortunately in electoral politics that often means the most compromised candidate because anyone else will result in a regressive. The question becomes “what do we do after the election to press the government into actually representing us”
In a lot of ways I think that’s voting blue no matter who until the regressive party is made irrelevant. Once the regressive party is irrelevant we can start treating the dems as the regressives they truly are and working on getting election reform and ranked choice voting. We can’t get any of that if we allow for any room for a Donald Trump presidency. He wants to blow up the entire system and fill the power vacuum with his own self. For the rest of us who want to dismantle the entire system, the purpose is not to have a dictator, but rather to eliminate hierarchy. We are in an extremely dangerous position this year. If we’re ever going to disrupt the powers that be, we can’t ever allow for any kind of monarch as that’s a step 300 years backwards.
So my advice? Vote for Harris, and then take to the streets and protest the ways she doesn’t represent us. Palestine deserves to be free. Oppressed peoples deserve reparations. The cold war was a modern race to rape Africa a la the late 19th century and the peoples harmed in the mad scramble to see if capitalism or Bolshevism was more effective at spreading cannot recover until we fundamentally decolonize the world. The cost of the suffering we inflict doesn’t even need to be viewed abroad to be seen. Appalachian coal fields and fracking operations are acts of violence against the land and the people who live on it. Prison labor is a form of slavery and is only palatable to our modern sensibilities as we contrast it with the peculiar institution of chattel slavery instead of comparing it with the history of slavery throughout time. The only opportunities we afford native Americans to live on the land we stole from them is if they pay us in money whose value is rooted in the value of that very stolen land via the mortgage system.
Don’t let Donald Trump be president. Don’t let President Harris off the hook for the violence the position she is taking over is responsible for.
I’ll take that luxury gay space communism any time, but until then…
In a lot of ways I think that’s voting blue no matter who until the regressive party is made irrelevant.
That’s the same for me. One party there is an option for better in the future, the other… Will literally be burning that future in a fire.
I had almost forgotten reasonable anarchosocialists still exist on the internet.
Thank you.
Not even kidding, it made me cry. I was a young idealist, and now I’m an old pragmatist. But this post gave me faith in others, and a renewed sense of idealism as the reward for pragmatism. Thriving instead of surviving is on the hope menu again.
It’s even more hilarious when I checked the profile of one of those high-volume “green party” posters and found them copy-pasting a bunch of overtly racist articles in the conservative comm. Almost like they forgot to switch alt accounts or something.
And have you ever noticed how it’s always one side denying who they’re promoting. I mean, how often do you see someone secretly propping up a Democratic candidate and deny it when called out on it? It’s almost as if they’re embarrassed to admit they like trump.
yeah, it’s very suspicious indeeed…
Or they’ll be incredibly condescending towards you, with some smug sense of superiority and self-righteousness.
“I’m a very lefty leftist, I hate fascism, that’s why this election season I am voting exactly the way the furthest right party wants me to.”
I’m pretty sure we can convince a significant portion of the MAGA crowd to vote third party, by informing them it’s impossible for Trump to win without a large turnout for third parties. 🤔
Brilliant!!!
The worst timeline
i would like a refund on my timeline
Republicans know they cannot go above 46-47% in popular vote, and cannot win what is essentially a two-person race with that support. A Republican nominee has received above 48% only once after 1988 (GW Bush in 2004). Only way to win the EC without PV win is for third party candidates to get support in key battleground states like Nader in 2000 and Johnson-Stein in 2016.
Why are we not running RINO’s all over the place? Fuck these backwater toothless bigots. They need to be fucking dealt with.
MAGA types are the ‘fall in line’ type, so it’s really hard to run candidates that appeal to them. Their Preacher and AM Shock Jock tells them ‘vote for the Republican or the Devil wins and America dies’ and they don’t entertain anyone but the Republicans. It’d be wasted resources. It’s far more effective to appeal to moderates, because the GOP has basically forsaken that entire group of voters to entertain their MAGA base, and we have over 200 Republicans on our side saying “we don’t agree with the Dems on policy, but we’re still voting for them because we aren’t MAGAts.” That’s a more effective strategy, IMO, than trying to prop up Libertarians or Constitutionalists.
The way to deal with the ‘backwater toothless bigots’ is to turn out for November. Get your vote locked in, then do your damndest to get as many Left-Wingers to the polls as possible. I don’t care where you are. Turn out and vote. That’s how we fucking deal with them.
Because it costs money. It’s hard enough getting liberals to vote for one candidate, libs have an habit of seeing the flaws in the system and will vote Green Party or whatever as a protest vote, and these days it’s the candidate with the most money winning. So when you prop up a sabotage candidate you’re taking away from the candidate you actually need to win. Plus, Dems just kinda don’t like playing dirty like that.
This article is full of gems, this is one of my favorites.
The next day, with the deadline to qualify for the Arizona ballot just hours away, Brett Johnson, a prominent Republican lawyer, and Amanda Reeve, a former GOP state lawmaker, made house visits to each as they tried to persuade both to sign new paperwork to serve as West electors.
Johnson and Reeve work for Snell & Wilmer, which has done $257,000 worth of business for the Republican National Committee over the past two years, campaign finance disclosures show.
Hamrick declined to comment on the role of Johnson and Reeve. They did not respond to requests for comment.
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Like this.
Yet another thing they learned from Fidesz. I wonder if Project 2025 will also include total control of almost all media outlets, with some independents being left, solely to show the EU we still have independent media and use as an argument.
I’m sure Russia is, too. At this point, is there any difference between what the cons want and what Putin wants?
This will always stand out to me, in 2016 Trump Directs RNC to soften position on Ukraine support
And, of course, this:
Trump’s 1st impeachment seems so quaint and distant. Its been a wild few years.
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