cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/16162455
How Russia is Influencing US Voters. Russian Intelligence Document “Guerrilla Media Campaign in the US” [Translated] Page 5
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In order for this work to be effective, you need to use a minimum of fake news and a maximum of realistic information. At the same time, you should continuously repeat that this is what is really happening, but the official media will never tell you about it or show it to you.
Yep, that last sentence pretty much sums up right-wing media, especially since “Candidate A”
who is definitely not Trump, shhhran for office around 2016.And before people say “not Lemmy, we are too small” - It’s pretty obvious that a major Lemmy instance is literally a training ground for these recruits before they get promoted to Facebook and reddit duty (either intentionally or otherwise). There have been a few narratives this election which seem to have been tested out on here weeks before getting to Facebook and reddit. “Blue MAGA” was a pretty obvious one they seemed to workshop on Lemmy.
There are certain actors on Lemmy that I’m betting will disappear after the presidential election cycle or significantly pull back their posting.
Basically fanning the flames of “democrat bad, support israel genocide” while also saying “republican not in power, can’t blame them!”. Genocide is terrible no matter who does it and we shouldn’t pretend Republicans would be any better. In all likelihood, they would be worse.
Always a safe bet
this is a bit scary as the fediverse is likely a bit more difficult than facebook and such. I hate to think we are training them to well.
It’s pretty obvious that a major Lemmy instance is literally a training ground for these recruits
Is there any evidence to substantiate this claim, or are we doing the “Everyone on the instance I don’t like is a Russian bot, because they disagree with me” line of reasoning?
“Blue MAGA” was a pretty obvious one they seemed to workshop on Lemmy.
Wasn’t this in response to the dead-end Biden guys who were growing increasingly hysterical as he tanked out in the polls? Lemmy’s gotten significantly more normal since Harris took the top of the ticket and the numbers have rebounded.
Nah, more like “Russian bots exist and some people I disagree with are Russian bots.” Which is pretty much the entire premise of the article.
It’s also pretty easy to tell the difference IMO. The trolls tend to just do nothing but troll and flame. They don’t really spend much time engaging on other topics.
As far as why I think Lemmy is a training ground? Call it a hunch. Obviously I don’t have a notarized letter from a troll farm saying that they are in control of a certain worldnews forum, but a lot of the usual suspects fit a bit too neatly into that box to not raise an eyebrow. There are some other patterns as well but its definitely all circumstantial.
It’s also pretty easy to tell the difference IMO.
Sounds like something a bot would say.
Don’t be silly. Those comms are filled with people who could no longer stand reddit-brained commenters shouting all the pro-US propaganda.
The belief that all political dissenters of the DNC are somehow trained or foolish monkeys tricked by the wiles of a foreign country is itself a powerful propaganda point. Now i don’t expect you to believe that just cuz i said it, but if i were right, what might such propaganda achieve? Does it perhaps cause you to consider all criticisms of the DNCs policies as “russian prop” and then not read more? If it does, is it a "thought terminating cliche? "
After all, you believe it somehow (even though thinking through it would dismiss the idea as ridiculous) and i bet you’re a smart person generally.
You might think I’m a ruskie no matter what but consider my POV. I left reddit because i couldn’t stand the politics there, only to have those politics follow me and scream that im some agiprop to fool them.
No, no, i don’t want anything to do with the childish US-centric worldview of reddit. Its not about them cats, i did it for my sanity, cuz the shit redditors say hurts my soul. I leave to find people who think like i do only to have the most strident screamers follow me. No, screamers, you arent my target, you goldarn children are my endless headache
I don’t want people to change their politics i want them to stop filling my feed and inbox with stupid bullshit.
Gee, I wonder what the censored bits actually say. It’s a total mystery.
Hero.
So basically the Russian government branch of Fox news.
Fox News IS the conservative plutocracy’s STATE propaganda network. The only difference is they created the state media before they seized control of the state.
They’re the same picture.
‘In the fox news style’
Hmmm 🤔
Also interesting how much they count on white grievances and making white people feel attacked. It’s almost like these things make you easier to manipulate.
“Manga editorial office”??
Russia has learned the power of Japan.
That puzzled me too.
It’s really ‘Manga’ in what I read in the end of the alleged original doc. Can’t judge it yet, but it seems weird.
Mistranslation of “Maga”?
Given that the other two are text and video, I’m going to guess it should be image.
I was thinking some variant of “illustration” or “graphic design”
Isn’t manga chinese art? I’m pretty sure it’s referring to that instead of maga
Manga is Japanese comic books; the “print version of anime” if you will. Lots of anime is based on manga.
It doesn’t make any sense in the context of the document, though; which why I wonder if it was a mistaken translation
It makes more sense than maga though. I don’t forsee them changing an english acronym into cyrillic, and that is the only way there could have been an error
Yes, these are the weakest possible threats that absolutely pale in comparison to the unfettered zionist propaganda coming from almost every USAian news source and almost every USAian politician.
This is the most moronic timeline.
The West should just adopt the same tactics for Russian social media channels (VK, Telegram, etc), regular civilian groups if the state does not want to resort to it. Feed Russia some of their own medicine.
I have no doubt that the USA has fingers in the pie of public sentiments elsewhere.
“The West” would have to start giving a fuck what goes on in who-gives-a-fuck-istan to have that happen. The warfare is asymmetric because only one side has an open society anyone else is actually interested in. No one in “The West” outside of the CIA ever thinks about Russia when they aren’t putting their dick in the punchbowl.
No one in “The West” outside of the CIA ever thinks about Russia when they aren’t putting their dick in the punchbowl.
They’re literally bathing in the punch bowl for at least a decade+ now. Surely there’s people who do give a fuck. I do.
Oh yeah sorry I missed all the Russian TV, music, electronics, art and culture everyone enjoys in the west. 😂
I wish. But the republicans would never.
I hope you’re aware the West isn’t just the US (or worse, that republicans are in control of the entire West), and neither are the information related to this leak just about the US.
I am, I’m Swiss.
But the fact is by far the most active, successful and offensive western intelligence agencies are in the United States.
You don’t need highly skilled intelligence officers to pour disinformation into social media. The largest hurdle is the language barrier but aside from that it would be doable by people like you and me. The last decade or so really showed how easy it actually is, because there’s just enough gullible useful idiots who buy into this shit, helping to spread it even further.
What I mean more by this is that european intelligence agencies tend to have:
- far stricter limits about what they are allowed to so
- far less funding
Hence why I suggested private groups. We’ve seen it successfully in Germany from the other side with groups like Reconquista Germanica, which completely changed German comment sections to the worse since the refugee crisis. People need to organize and pool their knowledge into their own networks to destabilize Russia.
I’d love to read more about that if you know a source :)
Yes, fascists are in control of white supremacy (aka “the west”). It’s only the nationalist branding that changes.
I see the Putin-bot is still not banned. https://fedia.io/m/technology@lemmy.world/t/951408/Russia-using-Kaliningrad-as-a-base-to-disrupt-EU-satellites/comment/6061366#entry-comment-6061366
The video editoral needs an union.
3-4 images a day is chill. 3-4 videos is insane.
Yeah lol. I can make 3-4 shitty memes in 30 mins.
Lol. My TV is overrun with zionist propaganda. Politicians are completely bought and sold by the zionist cult. Our “public” radio and television completely supports an ongoing genocide.
And they’re going to tell me that some “guerrilla media campaign” is the problem?!? I haven’t seen it at all. The phone call is coming from inside the house, y’all.
It fascinates me how hard it is to make sure people understand that
- Two things can be bad at once
- You can comment on an issue without whataboutism
Real people are being hurt, real elections are being won with these operations. Read the full memo, it’s in the crosspost.
This campaign also targets the politicians and media.
They are normal people too.
People are manipulated into being hypercritical which is close to the root of the reason why we become divided.
Yeah but pro Israel shills are approved by the government and elites… Russians are doing this without permission… that’s the issue here
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