Was tempted to call this “Debate 2: Electric Boogaloo” but a) A lot of Lemmy won’t get the OG reference. and 2) “Boogaloo” has been co-opted and carries an unfortunate connotation these days.
Also, while it’s Trump’s 2nd debate of the season, it’s Harris’s first…
It’s being run by ABC News at 9 PM Eastern time, 6 PM Pacific, I see MSNBC starts their coverage TWO HOURS EARLY. That’s a lot of air time to fill, guys. Good luck!
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- “Boogaloo” has been co-opted and carries an unfortunate connotation these days.
I’m nowhere near ready to give up the fight on this one. Those bastards can pry “[Anything] 2: Electric Boogaloo” from my cold, dead hands.
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I feel the same way about Hawaiian shirts.
Outsider view from across the pond:
It appears from the outset that the Trump camp is tripping over it’s own feet and stepping on landmine after landmine. Literally all Harris seems to have to do is stay on message, bat off anything too controversial, and let the opposition’s trousers fall down by themselves.
It’ll be interesting either way. The only real surprise to me will be whether I’ll learn about key moments from news outlets or from mad memez first.
The bar is so low for him, he could literally shit himself on stage and his supporters would crow that it was a power move to own the libs.
Reasonable doesn’t win elections here, vibes do. Its madness.
He did shit himself during the debate with Biden.
I wish that was all she needed to do, but Trump is still a slight favorite in a lot polls that account for how the electoral college votes will be divided.
She can’t just stay on message, she needs to drive a lot of turn out in very specific parts of the nation because, sadly, the American president isn’t picked by the majority of voters.
Republicans often win the electoral college and lose the popular vote.
I can see where it looks that way, but you have to understand that Trump’s fanbase literally does not care.
Trump could start the debate by dropping trou and laying a turd live on stage and MAGA would go on about how he’s “owning ABC and the libs!”
The media would cut away and claim “Trump opened the debate by declaring his disdain for the process…”
Agree, however if debates do have any impact on an election (Biden dropping out being an exception) it’s to sway disengaged and swing voters. So Trump just plays to his base I think that would qualify as a loss for him.
Disengaged voters aren’t watching the debate, similarly I don’t see how anyone is undecided between Trump and Harris. Maybe undecided between voting and not voting, but there’s no way someone looks at two radically different candidates and goes “You know, I could really vote for either one…”
Here’s what I expect:
For Harris to “win”: She needs to be able to go toe to toe with Trump. Any stuttering, nervousness, or uneasiness will be preyed upon, both immediately by Trump and afterwards in soundbytes and attack ads. She cannot have a “…we finally beat medicaid!” moment. She needs to show that she can stand up to him and give it as good as she can get it in real time. She is definitely at a bigger risk here. Trump will gaffe every 30 seconds and nobody will bat an eye. One gaffe by Harris could cost her the election. Trump will be spouting his firehose of lies while Harris won’t be able to fact-check 1% in real time. Harris needs to be pretty much perfect from start to finish. Any mistakes can and will be exploited.
For Trump to “win”: Expectations are really low here. He’s not trying to reach new voters. He opely says he doesn’t care about policy. He is doubling down on the racism and misogyny of his base. All he needs to do is control the narrative. Ignore the rules, talk louder, interrupt mid-sentence. It doesn’t matter what gibberish he vomits out of his mouth. None of it will cause him to lose a vote. All he needs to do is dictate the narrative and pace of the debate. He solidifies his position among his base as the mysoginist who will put women back where they belong, and gives undecided voters doubt about whether she will be able to handle the pressure. I think as long as Trump forces everybody to play his games by his rules as he usually does, it’ll be a “victory” for him. Or at the very least a tie. As long as he can portray himself as the strongman going forward, he’s really got nothing to lose.
I hate your analysis, and not because you’re wrong.
A lot is riding on this, given the unprecedented impact of the last debate i expect a lot of people will be watching.
I skipped the one earlier this year and only watched clips from the last couple of elections because they were always boring slogs where neither candidate said anything of substance and their side said they won. It seemed pretty pointless to watch.
This one might break the apathy streak since Harris has gone all in on calling Trump out for being a jackass and it would be fun to watch that live and it is likely the media will just sugar coat Trump’s incoherent ramblings like they have on all previous debates.
What’s the over/under that Trump drops a hard-R?
He won’t, but he’ll use “black” the same way.
“All of a sudden she turned blaaaaaaack!”
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-bingo-card-trump-harris
Refreshing that page re-generates the bingo grid…
Anyone else having a sinking feeling about this? Feels like a lot is riding on it.
Well, the last debate went so poorly the sitting President dropped out of the race, so… yeah!
How likely is Trump to show signs of being a Biden in this debate?
Biden’s problem was looking lost when Trump was speaking and he wasn’t. Stewart called it “Resting 25th Amendment Face”.
Trump never looks lost, even when he has no clue where he’s going.
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