Even so devoted a bootlicker as Senator Lindsey Graham declared the debate a “disaster” for the ex-president.
Donald Trump is so feral and narcissistic, so unrestrained and so outside the norm of American politics, that he’s difficult to debate. It’s disorienting. Very few people have been able to stand up to him without being pulled into the muck. In the past, even when he lost debates on points, he dominated his opponents.
But on a Tuesday night in Philadelphia, Kamala Harris cracked the code.
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Trump was always broken. Harris just drew attention to it in the right way.
Yea, I feel like I didn’t see anything new from him. Kamala just lead him around like a dog on a leash, and exposed it better than anyone else has.
I don’t even think the immigrants would eat that dog
no but she really hacked him like a cyberpunk runner.
the issue of immigration is her worst and his best polling issue. so when she was answering that question she added this part about crowds leaving his rallies early. the moderator moved past that and almost helped him by refocusing the question on immigration but he just couldn’t let it go. he not only focused on the crowd remark, but also went immediately unhinged, screaming about people eating cats.
it’s like a fucking cheat code. look at his reaction to her saying people have early. it’s like the sound the game makes to let you know the cheat code is activated.
Right? Such an obvious trap and he jumped into it, head first. Fascinating to see
She applied the McGinnis technique.
One thing I’ve come to believe is that the extended media reaction to a debate affects public opinion more than the debate itself. The media don’t quite dictate viewers’ judgments, but they shape and solidify them. And what this string of posts is making clear is that on the day after Donald Trump is still losing the debate. He’s probably going to try to stage some dramatic bullshit to derail this media train.
Very astute observation. I think the only thing I disagree with is that I personally think the media do to a large extent directly dictate viewers judgements. Which makes the rest of your points even more salient.
He’s going to eat a live dog to prove how hawrable it is.
Absolutely. If the media outlets had decided that Trump won, then Trump won. Almost no one actually watched the debate. They only looked at “highlights” curated for them.
I mean, overnight numbers suggest it’s a second most watched TV event since Superbowl, but you’re not wrong in that people don’t necessarily pay attention or process it. Highlights are the part people grab onto and boy do we have a lot of good ones.
Do you have a link to the numbers, please? I’m curious if the international numbers are reported separately.
(Me and at least three other households I know watched it in Canada. My friend in VA did not, and hadn’t even heard about Fido til I mentioned it this afternoon.)
I would have but I’m getting conflicting numbers and supposedly the overnights aren’t as accurate. You’ve got the numbers from Neilson which were 67 million, that’s the latest guess.
And that usually excludes streaming, but I think it’s US (maybe Canada). Higher than the first debate, but oddly lower than 2020 (maybe cause of lockdown?). I think it’s missing a very sizable chunk from international and streaming, though. If I had to guess, it’s likely double. Hell, even Taylor Swift caught it streaming.
Thanks for the link!
I understand my very presence on lemmy makes me less representative of the mean but I was hooked from start to finish.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he replaced Vance with RFK Jr now as that would kill discussion of the debate.
He arguably can’t.
He and vance are on the ballot. So is RFK, funny enough. Which is why RFK is trying to get off the ballot in swing states. The reason Biden could tag Kamala in is that the DNC had not actually chosen a candidate yet.
My suspicion is that an exception would be made rather than run into the mess of leaving republicans unelectable in states. But it would still be a giant shitshow and not in a good way.
This may be a cynical take, but it would still be Trump on the top of the ticket, and the media would be immediately distracted from his debate failure. He would most likely come out ahead in the end.
That motherfucker been broke.
He’s been broke for a long time. The only thing he actually owns is debt, which he will never, ever pay.
🌎👨🚀🔫👨🚀
On that stage we saw the two things most capable of utterly destroying Trump: A prosecutor, and Trump.
He should resign. Clearly he isn’t capable.
Resign from what, life? I’m on board that’s just an odd phrasing
Would not object. It’s been a good run, Donald.
Hes never had a good run
Shhh. You don’t have to lie. Not to him. At this point, I don’t think anyone’ll have to even tug on his reins; he’ll walk to the back shed on his own. Pick up the shells after. Don’t litter.
She should have mentioned his tiny little hands after shaking them - dude has such a LDE vibe, I bet he’d have lost his shit.
She’s more mature than to stoop down to his level and ridicule someone’s appearance or anything like that. The handshake was enough to get to him and plant that seed, a complete and total power move.
The moment I saw that handshake I was like “oh. Power move”. I think he even said “have fun” lol
I just saw a seasoned prosecutor taking control of the well. That’s what they do. Her facial expressions? That’s also prosecutor in action.
Loved it all but of course I’m biased…
“We go high” is what got us into this mess. Remember Hilary? Democrats need to get off the idealistic high horse already and do what works.
You can absolutely play their game without getting mud on you.
Edit: Basically there are a ton of stupid people and if they can’t be convinced then they should be used
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall. Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king’s horses and all the king’s men Couldn’t put Humpty together again.
Trump is Humpty Dumpty.
*Trumpty Dumpty
He’s been found liable for sexual assault.
Humpty Trumpty.
I mean, calling him Dump is also apt.
New “aight I’ma head out meme” just dropped
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Even so devoted a bootlicker as Senator Lindsey Graham declared the debate a “disaster” for the ex-president.
Lindsey Slam!
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Removed for ableist slur. :(
If you say it to an able person, it’s okay IMO, but whatever rocks your boat, I guess.
Ableism is not a real thing.
As far as our standards and practices go, it is.
Yeah I see that, I’m just expressing my disagreement with the standard itself.
Don’t worry - no matter how squishy we get in feelings land, evolutionary pressure still exists.
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What did they expect Kamala Harris used to be a prosecutor?
He thought he could take her because everyone around him always tells him what a good smart special big boy he is and they let him win at everything. As we all saw, his temper tantrums when he loses are something special.
Wish I could read the article.
Here’s a few you can try in the future. You can take a paywalled link and append the address to the following sites:
archive.is/
archive.ph/
12ft.io/
removepaywall.com/Just take the website link from the taskbar and paste it directly after. This works the vast majority of the time.
Some might complain about getting around paywalls, but I don’t mind. The web was built to be free. If you want to have your info and stories completely behind a login, fine. Make your page require a log in to even see stories. Make that worth it to people, and you can build an audience. But don’t have your pages and stories accessible to draw people in, only to slap them with a paywall. That strategy always felt like a slimy bait-and-switch to me. I remember back in the 90s when Congress had a serious debate over whether for-profit commercial activity should even be allowed online at all. And it’s been downhill from there. Put your content on the open web or not. Pick a lane. Want a walled garden? Build a walled garden and don’t let people see inside without paying. But don’t lure people into your garden and then slap them with a pay booth once they’re starting to enjoy the flowers. If it’s even possible for people to use a paywall removal site, it proves you’re trying to pull a bait-and-switch on readers.
Cautious hope that this may a “Have you no sense of decency sir?” moment.
