What are your thoughts on the Lemmy ecosystem?

I’ve been trying it out for the last week. I have my own opinions, but I’d like to hear others and see if we have common ideas on what is good/bad/indifferent about the Lemmy ecosystem.

  • Blaze (he/him)@sopuli.xyz
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    Welcome here!

    Copy pasting from a recent thread on /r/RedditAlternatives trying to address usual criticism against Lemmy.

    Federation is confusing, people want a single website they can go to

    Email has been working on a federation model for decades. People have to remember if they use Gmail or Outlook, but that’s it. It’s similar here.

    Several communities have the same name, it’s confusing, active communities are hard to find

    Reddit has a similar issue: you have /r/games as the main gaming community, but there is also /r/Gaming, /r/videogames /r/gamers, etc.

    How does someone know what the main community is, whatever the platform? Looking at the number of subscribers and active members.

    There was the example of beekeeping: if you search for that topic, the most active one is definitely https://mander.xyz/c/beekeeping with 97 users per month.

    The others have barely 1 user: https://lemmyverse.net/communities?query=beekeeping

    To find active communities: https://lemm.ee/c/newcommunities@lemmy.world. There are regular threads with active communities on topic such as gardening, movies, board games, anime, science, etc.

    Who is going to pay for the server costs?

    Here is a link to this question to Lemmy admins: https://lemm.ee/post/41577902

    Summary of the answers:

    • lowest number so far: lemmy.ml with 0.03€ per user per month
    • a few others (feddit.uk, lemmy.zip) have around 0.11$ per user per month
    • some instances are running on infrastructure that the admins would be anyway, so it’s virtually “free”

    Most of the instances costs are paid using donations. They regularly post financial updates such as this one: https://lemm.ee/post/41235568

    Obviously there is a sweet stop where you can minimize the cost by having the maximum number of users on a fixed infrastructure cost.

    If you want to have a look at the number of monthly active user (the “MAU” column): https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy/

    Anyway, $ per user is usually meaningless because most of the servers are small enough to be hosted on some random cheap server - adding more users doesn’t cost more because they are still well below server capacity. Only the biggest servers have to worry about $ per user.

    I had posted this earlier this week on this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1fiuuo5/how_much_does_it_cost_per_user_to_host_a_lemmy/

    There is too much political content

    You can block entire servers and specific communities.

    Instances to block to avoid political content

    Communities to block

    With those blocked, you are avoiding 95% of the political content. There might be a few other communities that pop up, but blocking them is still one click away.

    Lemmy is developped by hardcore tankies and I don’t want to use their software

    As Lemmy is federated using an open protocol, there are other options to connect to the communities without using Lemmy itself.

    The first one is Piefed: https://piefed.social/c/newcommunities@lemmy.world

    The other one is Mbin: https://fedia.io/m/newcommunities@lemmy.world

    However, those are stil a bit less mature than Lemmy, so for instance if you want to use mobile apps a lot, Lemmy is a better choice.

    On top of that, every Lemmy server is managed by different people. You can see regular criticism of lemmy.ml (the instance managed by the Lemmy devs) on threads such as this: https://lemm.ee/post/33872586 or even dedicated communities like https://lemm.ee/c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

    That shows that even the Lemmy devs are not protected from criticism.

    There isn’t enough people

    Lemmy has 46k monthly active users (https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats) (Mbin and Piefed have around 800 each). Active user is someone who voted, posted or commented.

    In comparison, Discuit, which was praised during the API shutdown as “easier to use as it’s centralized” has 234 active users: https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta/post/KdiI1akq. Not 234k, 234 total.

    For obvious reasons, the activity is not going to match Reddit levels, and niche communities aren’t there.

    But it’s not an all or nothing situation. Most people on Lemmy still use Reddit for their niche communities, but are also active on Lemmy. And some niche communities are getting more active on lemmy. https://lemm.ee/c/newcommunities@lemmy.world (!newcommunities@lemmy.world ) promotes them.

    Also, having less people provides better interactions, as your comments are less likely to get buried in thousands of others. And bots on Lemmy are quickly spotted and banned, while Reddit doesn’t seem to do much about that: https://old.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/1fmcelm/askreddit_is_simply_over_run_with_bots/

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      Lemmy is developped by hardcore tankies and I don’t want to use their software

      I think the main point about this is that, so far, the development has been completely politically neutral and developers have in no way interfered with any instance having other political opinions.
      So they have been more neutral than Reddit developers even if they are public about their tankies ideas on their personal publications.
      Furthermore, it’s open source, so it could be forked any time if needed, unlike Reddit.

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      Because everyone at this point uses Gmail, I prefer to use phone networks as my analogy go to, as usually most people know others with a different carrier

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      Why are you actively against lemmy.world?

      On Reddit you list several alternative instances, and you somehow left us out.

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    Yes for me it’s absolutely a viable alternative. It’s still small and that has pros and cons. The overall quality of discourse is high because it’s a fairly hip crowd that has found Lemmy and joined. Feels more like the early days of the social web, before social media shat the bed. But being small has cons too. Some communities just aren’t here, and a lot of the ones here are small and less active. But there’s absolutely a viable base here that can grow over time. I’m glad that the internet figured this out because we were too dependent on Reddit before - it had totally consumed all concepts of online community and that was okay before the enshittification got into high gear. Lemmy from its inception is structurally designed not to go down that path. So spend time here. Share it. Help it grow. Start a niche sub and feed it.

  • snack_pack_rodriguez@lemmy.ca
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    I would say no to me it’s more like IRC. Its small enough to be not noticed by influence operations as much and each instance has its own personality just like IRC networks. It’s a great mix of local community and access to a wider view points.

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    It’s feels to me like how the ancient redditors said reddit worked.

    Some servers come closer to reddit like world which copied all the popular subs.

    Others are definitely smaller communities, maybe a post or two a day and plenty of discussion.

    I feel great about it all so far.

    • illi@lemm.ee
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      Definitely feels more like reddit used to feel - though with caveats.

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        Indeed. With no central control, it seems easier for a single individual/org to dominate any given discussion, but otherwise it seems close to what reddit originally claimed to be.

        I’ve used them both the exact same way, which kept me away from a lot of the junk on Reddit until they killed my access via Apollo. Then I just switched over and subbed pretty much the same topics.

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    Been on Lemmy a few months now and it feels like moving from shitty Digg to fresh Reddit. I had canceled my account on Reddit even before the last enshitification, and kept just reading. Lemmy feels good enough to participate in posting and commenting. Small is good.

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      And whoa man is that a bigger deal that I realized. I still comment and snoop on Reddit infrequently but I’m active here. Less trolls. Minimal bots. Lots of high quality comments.

      Yes I miss the niche at times but honestly? This is home now.

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      Depends on the topic. From what I can tell, Lemmy skews young and technical and towards certain personalities and interests, so there are going to be topics that go to those strengths, but also topics where the discussions get mired down in either discussing the basics or get stuck in a pretty unsophisticated understanding of the topic.

      It’s obvious with the hyper local discussions (where should I eat in this city when I visit), because there just aren’t enough knowledgeable people to form a quorum for quality discussion. But it’s also true in many of the hobby/interest discussions, simply because there aren’t enough people to where good discussion encourages more high quality discussion in a feedback loop.

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    This biggest thing that helped me was putting the app icon in the same spot on my phone as my old reddit app

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    No. Reddit has a userbase that allows it to be all things to everyone.

    Lemmy has a userbase that allows it to be a pretty good linux disscussion forum.

    Once you venture away from technology, its crickets. There’s a community here specifically for the Cleveland Guardians. It’s dead quiet. The Guardians are even in the ALDS right now…granted they’re down 0-2 in the best of 7 series…but the ONLY post since they started the playoffs, is me asking why the community was so dead. That topic has 0 replies despite being posted days ago. On reddit, I wouldn’t have even needed to make that post, because there would be topics on almost every minute thing the Guardians have done right, and wrong, since the playoffs began.

    And then I’d get heckled for saying that Ketchup is the hot dog derby champion. Now and forever! But on here? Nothin…

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    It reminds me a lot of Reddit in the first few years.

    I initially joined Reddit because Aaron Swartz’s involvement convinced me it wasn’t going to go the route of other corporate social platforms, but I think Swartz would have been far more at home on Lemmy.

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    Yeah on Reddit at this point it feels to me by bots for bots. Maybe the bots here are just better but it feels more human.

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    In terms of design, I find Lemmy to be basically a 1:1 replacement for Reddit. It’s a link aggregator with communities, comments, and voting.

    I like it a lot, even though the communities are smaller and there’s less content. It’s just a nicer communal experience for me compared to Reddit. I feel more pressure to actually comment since the communities are smaller and every little bit helps, lol.

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    I switched from Reddit to Lemmy cold turkey, not willing to put up with that user hostile enshitification shiticane reddit was going through. There are a few communities that I really miss (/r/weightroom) but new Lemmy things (/c/tenforward) that give me joy. The Internet is getting pretty shitty but Lemmy is a great small corner of it that’s resistant to much of that fuckery

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    As others have said, as a “front page” with voting and real people in the comments, I like it. It’s like hanging out at the one locals’ coffee shop in a small hippie college town somewhere. You don’t get to talk about everything you might like, and there’s a definite vibe, but the people are generally polite, informed, and surprisingly cosmopolitan. That’s where Lemmy really shines in relation to reddit, the quality and accessibility of conversation on general interest and shitpost threads. Even assuming they’re not overrun with bots, and they likely are, the biggest subreddits are just noise and fake internet points, or at best a passing conversation with a stranger on a bus.

    I still go to reddit for (American) football and mechanical keyboards, but for the former I don’t even bother participating, because we’ve got a fun handful of folks here (to extend the coffee shop analogy, imagine a table in the back with a few professors who fondly remember going to a big football school 20 years ago). For the latter I can get the occasional fix here, and I seek that out, but I like seeing the pretty aluminum rectangles and sharing the little bit I’ve learned with newbies. To the extent there’s still a baby splashing around in the bathwater, I’d prefer not to throw it out, but I’m clear-eyed about reddit’s trajectory, and “home” is here.

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    Depends on what you are looking for. I think Lemmy works great and I only really go to reddit when a google search leads me there for something. Though I do miss the niche communities and the “there is a subreddit for everything”.

    Lemmy is also healthier, I used to just scroll through reddit for literal hours, it’s possible to reach an end of sort for the time.

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    On r/, i only really followed my interests - cats, cannabis, crochet, etc. Those topics getting less action here forced me to follow more communities. It surprised me how much i enjoy the general ask, news, eli5, til, art communities that i never would have followed when i had more niche content.

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      Why do all your interests start with a c… :)

      Can probably add chicks in there if you are a guy too.