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    I’ve often wondered what new and innovative ways Microsoft could find to make my computer even less likely to do what I want.

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        It’s very obvious that they rushed Copilot. What should have been an assistant like Jarvis in Iron Man, has literally no purpose and can’t do anything useful.

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      The product people who determine this shit need to be fired. If I had to guess, they’re over there planning this in Macs and shit. Force them to use their product and that will help resolve these dumb issues.

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        Yep, the reason Macs are more usable is not that they are usable in general, it’s that they can’t keep the pace with Windows.

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    Well in that case I might replace windows 12 with not using windows 12

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      A few weeks ago when they made the search bar come back after I had told it to go away I switched to Linux. It’s weird the small annoyances that add up. It’s great so far. With KDE for the desktop environment, you can make it look however you want, including almost identical to any version of windows you want. It’s really quite usable, and generally I’m already faster and more comfortable with it than I was with windows.

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          Yeah, don’t use old versions of Windows (or any OS really). Upgrade to Win 10/11 or install Linux (or something else that’s supported).

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    Microsoft may replace the Start button with the Copilot AI in Windows 12

    Yeah, they could also replace the start button with a shit emoji. But there’s no indication at all anybody wants to do any of that because they’re not idiots. You only said that so people visit your shitty website. In fact, not even the quote you reference for your article suggests any plans of replacing the start button whatsoever:

    “The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”

    Fuck clickbait headlines and fuck websites bending any and all content to the SEO voodoo.

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        And everybody’s just happy to bitch about whatever the headline suggests without ever checking if it’s even true.

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      Lemmy communities need to start banning domains that post clickbait garbage like this.

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    I love this idea. The reason people continue using Windows is because they’re used to it. Messing with the Start button is going to piss off even the most patient users. Not to mention it’ll be an absolute nightmare for any IT department. Just imagine an army of Karens calling your hotline first thing on Monday morning, yelling at you because you took away the Start button. It’ll make Windows 8 look like a huge success.

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      They already fucked with start menu and search and it’s already a problem for IT. I can’t find any app I got installed unless I spell it out right, and even then it might work with just 3/8 letters in but no further.

      Sometimes I just click through program files cause it’s faster.

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        For some fucking brilliant reason, searching update shows discord, so to find updates I have to spell it wrong

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        sometimes you can’t find an application even when you spell it out correctly, hafta go through the apps list to find them.

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      I feel like things like Classic Shell (or whatever the go-to alternative is nowadays) are just going to make bank from enterprise customers suddenly wanting to make their desktops usable for the average user.

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        Doubtful. It’s hard enough to get programs past our security team and having half malware bundled programs like this won’t be an easy task.

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          Lol, what? There is no malware in classic shell, or start11 or explorer patcher. Wtf are you talking about?

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              i remember some game refusing to launch just because i had it installed

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        Openshell on github. I don’t know that it’s the same code, but I’m pretty sure the Classic Shell website linked to it.

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      Which is why this is obviously just a shitty clickbait headline. Have you read the article? Nobody is planning to replace the start button but they could and that’s enough for tech “journalism” these days.

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    I only have one machine that’s still running Windows. This would convince me to finally make that zero.

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      I only have one machine using Windows because I don’t want to be “left behind” in the corporate desktop world, but it’s on my “left hand monitor” while my center and right of three monitors are Kubuntu. The specs won’t let me use 11 on any of my systems. My company laptop is still Windows 10 as well because some of our security software doesn’t run on 11 yet.

      If I didn’t have to work in the corporate space, I’d quit Windows in a fast second. I have been using Kubuntu as my daily driver for almost 10 years now.

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    Is this like the previous theory that Windows 12 would be subscription based?

    “The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”

    Saying “copilot is like the start button” is not saying “copilot will replace the start button”, the article is dishonest clickbait and stupid.

    This is just MS taking another kick at Cortana, this time powered by LLM generative AI.

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      Remember those times when Microsoft said that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows, as it will get to a free “Windows-as-a-Service” model? My ass, now

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        I can’t find the words to describe how absolutely fucking disgusted I am with the fact that we don’t even have 11 out in full swing and they’re talking about selling us 12 after the “10 would be the last” bullshit.

        For fucks sake microturd, get your shit together and stop trying to bleed everyone dry… We know literally every other company in the world is doing that, but it doesn’t make it right… :/

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          This rage bait bullshit was debunked a long time ago, they never claimed 10 would be last and there’s no official word on 12 being Saas, all of this shit is just mad-boy anger fuel.

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            For people upset about the 10-is-the-last-version thing, even though where they said it was not an official communication and was probably either misstated or misunderstood, the tech media picked up on it and Microsoft knew that’s what people thought they said and they did nothing to dispel that notion, at all.

            So on that one, there was a good reason to think that’s what they said, and since they let that very common misconception that was actively reported in the tech news media continue without any attempt to correct, the anger is every bit as justified as if Microsoft did actually say it.

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        They didn’t. That was an “evangelist” talking to Devs one time and the media ran with it.
        They didn’t seem to dissuade anyone of the notion, but they never repeated it officially.

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      This post needs to be somehow tagged as misleading. Too many people are going to accept the headline at face value.

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    pretend that you’re my late grandma, whom I miss a lot. her favourite pastime at this time of the day was deleting the C:/system32 directory.

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    Windows 10 is my last windows. When i upgrade my destop i’m going Mint

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        Well, my laptop’s already there, but i really don’t feel like dealing with system reinstallation on my games pc. It’ll be much easier for me to just stick with W10 for the next few months, and then jump ship, seeing as the upgrade i have planned won’t be using any components from my dekstop.

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      Linux is my daily driver. I used to struggle with it but it’s on point these days. Proton takes care of 90% of the gaming issues.

      I can’t imagine ever going back to windows, I really can’t.

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        I mean, i only ever use my current desktop for games. My laptop where i do basically everything else is already running mint.

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        Do games work on proton on release day, or does it take work by the community or someone to get new games working?

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      Windows 7 is my last Windows. Windows 10 is my current Windows. Looks like a safe bet to keep skipping at least one version. I did also go from XP to 7.

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    I too, think the Windows start menu is way too responsive and not buggy enough. /s

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      It used to be when it was basically just a folder of shortcuts. Since the metro interface the start menu has been getting worse and slower.

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        I only know of Win 7 and Win 10, never touch 8, 8.1 nor 11. I still use win10 at work and the start menu is very odd. I like to use the win key to summon the menu and search, but the behavior is very inconsistant, sometimes it’s fast, sometimes very slow, sometimes I can search, sometimes not, sometimes it gives me the file/app i am looking for, and sometimes it decides to go for bing results. I must admit, I actully never ever navigate the menu itself appart from turning off the laptop. It is a very slow and inefficient design element in my opinon.

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    Microsoft why are you trying to pull an Elon and destroy your own brand, stop that – what, after all, has a dedicated keyboard key on Windows keyboards, and has for decades?

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      They’re not. It’s just the author’s “creativity”. There’s no indication of plans to change the start button. Still, they could change the start button, which apparently warrants a misleading article people actually discuss.

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    “….So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot”

    What does that mean to me, if I just want to open notepad? How to I express my intent, exactly? Through interpretive dance?

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      Hello, I would like to use notepad.

      Ok, I can open notepad. But have you considered notepad enhanced with AI? It predicts what you want to type for $49.99 a year!

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        “i would like to write a quick letter in wordpad.”

        sorry. that application is not available. launching word instead and starting a subscription to microsoft 365.
        locating credit card information…
        found. you will be charged $99.99 per year.

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          ** Goes to uninstall the application **

          Hello, it looks like you’re trying to uninstall Microsoft 365. Your plan has been updated. To keep Microsoft 365 uninstalled you will be charged $149.99 per year, plus a $74.99 uninstallation fee.

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            Thank you for signing up for Uninstaller 365. Your monthly fee will be $49.99. To cancel write 16 pages of klingon opera and send it to the following address exactly 100 days 16 hours before your requested cancellation minute.

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      I’m guessing speaking or typing: “note” “pad” “notepad” “how do I write a note?” “Write something down” would all work.

      To be fair this would probably be the same speed as me hitting windows key + R and typing “notepad”.