• irmoz@reddthat.com
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    Anarchy is order. Rules and comon understandings are kinda central to anarchist theory. Anarchy is a common understanding.

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      It’s also impossible. All you need to overthrow the whole system is a small group of dissidents.

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          For example by positioning themselves along a river and demanding payment from anyone who draws water.

          Or by crafting weapons and demand payment from anyone who doesn’t pay.

          Or seek control through other threats, like poisoning food.

          Really, the possibilities are endless…

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            An anarchist society doesn’t mean that the people of that society can’t defend themselves in nonviolent and violent ways.

            Furthermore: why would those “dissidents” even start such behavior?

            Edit (addendum): Seriously: Do you really think that over 150 years of anarchist theory didn’t think of those scenarios and how to prevent them?

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              Anarchist theory almost exclusively talks about political motivated crime they propose will stop when the state and all it’s structures are abolished.

              Non-political crime they mostly only brush over and suggest the communities will handle it themselves.

              So no, they don’t have a concept of how people are supposed to protect themselve from crimes that aren’t politically motivated.

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                That’s because you can’t over-generalize these things without gausing great injustice in the process.

                The communities on a ground level know best how to handle crimes in the community. If you want laws encompassing everyone in every facet of life: go read a bible or something.

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                  You are advocating for exactly that to happen. Many bible communities would rejoice in anarchy bevause then they can enforce all their fucked up rules again and kids who are born into these communities… Well, tough luck I guess. Your community on the ground level decided it’s okay to burn people as witches who have red hair.

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                    Many bible communities would rejoice in anarchy bevause then they can enforce all their fucked up rules again

                    Lol no. Absolutely not! Anarchists would be 100% against these kinds of structures, so they wouldn’t be allowed to exist.

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                    Many bible communities would rejoice in anarchy bevause then they can enforce all their fucked up rules again and kids who are born into these communities…

                    Yeah, because religion didn’t spread through conquest. /s

                    Your community on the ground level decided it’s okay to burn people as witches who have red hair.

                    You have a really fucked up image of humanity, do you know that? You do know that Hobbes was wrong with his Leviathan, right?

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                Anarchist theory almost exclusively talks about political motivated crime they propose will stop when the state and all it’s structures are abolished.

                You haven’t actually read any anarchist theory, have you? This is a fucking joke.

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                  No, it’s actually one of the most problematic points in anarchist theory. How to handle people who are cruel or who do not respect social contracts. The fact that many anarchists want to abolish police but than want to build a structure similar to police or do not discuss the topic at all is showing they don’t have a solution.

                  Stirner for example basically ignores the topic. Kropotkin only addresses crimes which have the state as basis (property and political crime).

                  Please share which Anarchist theoretist formulated a concrete plan on how to deal with non-political crime in practice.

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                    How to handle people who are cruel or who do not respect social contracts. The fact that many anarchists want to abolish police but than want to build a structure similar to police or do not discuss the topic at all is showing they don’t have a solution.

                    Again, you haven’t read any theory, have you? Have you really never heard of diffuse sanctions? Stop embarrassing yourself.

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            In the real world practice of small-scale egalitarian societies, these people either get killed, or the group packs up and goes somewhere else. That’s how humanity lived for the hundreds of thousands of years before we invented agriculture.

            How we translate that into a contemporary agricultural context where private property and control of resources is a real force is beyond me, but I do think that we have to try.