Every once in a while, Romney will stand up and do the bare minimum.
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True but it’s almost always too late to matter though…
I don’t think people get that this difference makes a difference. As a millennial going through college during the GW Bush years, there was at least a Republican party that cared about America, cared about non political government institutions and the service those members participate in, etc. Since the tea party that shit changed. And I don’t think it’s hard to believe Mitt Romney actually cares about this country and means what he says on this thing. I feel disgusted defending Romney, but I kind of miss it when it was guys like Romney were the political opponents in power and not these MAGA folks hellbent on destroying democracy and politicizing the institutions critical to America.
I mean, I was going through college when GW Bush was elected, and here’s what I remember:
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Everyone lying about GW Bush being the “first Spanish-speaking President” (he spoke no Spanish at all), the first of many lies meant to cover up his manifest incompetence and intellectual incapability
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Republicans shutting the government down for weeks at a time
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A maniac, entirely fictitious scandal invented solely to hamper Al Gore’s election prospects (the White House phones scandal)
What was different about that day’s Republican Party than today’s? We knew less about it, was all.
The thing that I dont think a lot of people like to recognize is that GW Bush had both some of the highest and lowest approval ratings. For months immediately after his approval rating was like 90 percent. Dems are also responsible for going to war then, even if they weren’t the party in control.
But the thing is republicans did hold institutions, agencies, and administrative government orgs in higher esteem and weren’t trying to destroy and purge. That’s very different than trump. There’s a difference between Mitt Romneys of the. GOP and the Jim Jordans who have never passed their own legislation and instead only focus on dismantling government and going on witch hunts.
I think the other thing you need to look at is how other elected officials speak about working with him. There’s what you say in the public light, and then there’s the work that actually gets done.
Also, didn’t Romney kind of quietly champion universal healthcare in MA? And despite his own views, accept state Supreme Court rulings to provide gay marriage licenses? This guy actually cared about governing.
Also 2 unnecessary wars. Iraq causing the US to lose focus in Afghanistan. Republicans steered the Medicare part D BS and Bush signed it. The economy melting down then they blamed Obama. Then they questioned Obama’s citizenship. Before that was Reagan racking up debt, and raising taxes all while “states rights” was used as cover for institutional racism.
Republicans have always been dog shit.
Yes, but they never would have sold us out completely to China or Russia. Their goals were power and grift, but they weren’t willing to destroy the country to do so.
As bad as they were, Trump is likely worse.
It’s a progression, though. They turned up the heat slowly so people wouldn’t notice how they’re being boiled alive. Romney isn’t a Tea Party/MAGAt like the rest, but he had no problem catering to them during his 2012 bid for the Presidency and he was part of the establishment that paved the way for the extremists. He can afford to distance himself now that he’s retiring, but he didn’t listen when we warned about the rise of extremism in his party. It’s too late to earn our respect for acknowledging it now.
It’s a progression, though. They turned up the heat slowly so people wouldn’t notice how they’re being boiled alive.
This is like the same logic republicans use to say abortion is just a gateway to death councils for grandma.
Don’t make false equivalencies when you don’t want them made against your party. Each party has a nuance of plurality in members.
You should really check your facts before committing to an opinion.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/whether-he-debates-or-not-trump-owes-a-lot-to-fox-news/
Specify please.
they never would have sold us out completely to China or Russia
Only because China and Russia weren’t shopping for US politicians at the time. For decades now Republicans have been about catering to the wishes of the wealthy - their basic treasonous natures were just masked by the fact that their wealthy donors used to be all-American.
I don’t think you can really argue that the war in Afghanistan was “unnecessary.” We were attacked by terrorists from that country, remember?
We were never going to let OBL do 9/11 and then just walk away.
Except we did.
When Bin Laden was cornered in caves in Afghanistan further resources to go after him were denied and sent to Iraq instead. There’s a reason OBL was killed in Pakistan during an entirely different presidential administration.
Sure, you can definitely argue that the war in Iraq was unnecessary.
Yup those fucking hanging ballots could have given Algore in Florida. In general the world would be better
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“But not Biden so probably Trump but I will have my fingers crossed when I be a hypocrite and Jebus will forgive me.” - Rich white guy
But… he voted for Biden.
This thread is the epitome of low information D voters parroting the R=bad line. Romney was one of that last reasonable republicans left.
Biden is one of the last reasonable Republicans.
It seems people love drawing lines in the sand, just to vilify those who step over, even momentarily. It’s the middle-ground politicians on both sides that are actually pushing worthwhile legislation.
For example, nationwide stimulus checks during Covid: a Romney initiative. But he has an R by his name, so I guess nothing he does matters. “It wasn’t enough”, “it was just for optics,” etc. The right absolutely moves goalposts, but that doesn’t mean supporters on the left are innocent of doing the exact same thing.
It’s genuinely surprising how low the bar is for a Republican to be considered ethical - refusing to vote in the guy who literally tried to pull a coup on your country shouldn’t even be an ethical stance, it should be the stance of literally everyone
But… But… Trans people
Seriously tho G W Bush ran on Gays are getting married oh no! And rode that to state and local wins even before 9/11 happened
Right??
Mittens sucks out loud, but I have to give it to him: he’s had some ethical stances on things.
Sen. Mitt Romney Says He Would Vote For ‘Virtually’ Anybody Other Than Trump or Ramaswamy
Remember, politicians are often masters at parsing their words; there’s a big difference between “would” and “will”.
Edit: Also remember Romney was a chronic flip-flopper; don’t expect that to change.
Romney will not vote for Trump under any circumstances and isn’t shy about it*
Romney isn’t a politician anymore. That’s why I think this carries more weight. He can say what he wants and doesn’t have to worry about job security of appealing to the base.
Also, read the article. This is about the Republican primary. He can vote for folks near term still R. But he alluded to that in a general if it’s trump, he’d probably vote Biden.
But “the others that are running are acceptable to me and I’d be happy to vote for them,” Romney told “Person to Person’s” Norah O’Donnell when asked which candidates he “liked” in the GOP field.
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Sounds vaguely like an ethical stance, except DeSantis is still ok for him.
It’s implied. Sounds tacky to list 3 people in that statement
Is ramaswamy actually out polling desantis? If not it’s definitely implying he would support desantis
He flat out says;
“the others that are running are acceptable to me and I’d be happy to vote for them,”
Yeah, but you’d have to actually read the article to know that.
He also says that he supports “some” of the Democrats running for president. So you know, he wants spoiler candidates to help DeSantis win.
Could be that if he mentions all three, it’s implied he’d choose Nicki Haley and that would just set him up for binders full of women jokes.
Nikki Haley isn’t flat out awful but that’s not really an endorsement
The arc of Mitt Romney’s universe is long and flexes back and forth, but it bends towards sanity
And magical underpants…
$100 he still votes trump in the end.
What odds are you giving? Because honestly I’d take that bet. Mitt fucking despises Trump.
Id bet against you. You think a retired politician would publicly go against his old party but privately do the opposite? Also, this article is mostly about the GOP primary. Read the article, not just the headline.
Fucking asshole helped create this problem. Fuck Romney. Fuck every traitor republican.
True, but I still think it’s good to see a little bit of reason coming back here and there. I welcome it.
But only because they failed if they had pulled it off he’d still be shilling for them
Mitt looks like the villain in an 80s comedy movie and feels like a guy who says what people tell him to say.
IMHO this is just telling people the Mormon church doesn’t support those guys.
Idk Romney was joining BLM marches in 2020, hate to say it but he might not be a complete piece of shit.
His goons killed Toys R US.
I don’t care about toy stores.
Not about toys. Its about how private equity firms are fucking us.
People worked there.
Toys-R-Us was a terribly managed brand for a couple decades by the point when it was liquidated. It was great in the late 80s and early 2000s, but it was run into the ground. While people worked there and we can be sorry they had to find other jobs, the company itself is not worth mourning.
The terrible managers were the ones Romney put in! That’s the whole way private equity works - they bought the company when the share price was depressed, then loaded the company with debt, paid themselves the proceeds of the loan, then liquidated the company in bankruptcy so they didn’t have to pay it back. The whole private equity scheme is to operate a fraud against lenders.
Yeah and who ran it into the ground? Mitt Romney goons. Stop defending corporate raiding
Company should have done better then
They were doing fine before they got bought out
People work everywhere.
Real humanitarian here
He was a corporate raider, so he was sort of the bad guy in 80s comedy movies.
Corporations are people too my friend.
But he would vote for DeSatan?
Well he’s neither Trump or Ramaswamy, so yeah, possibly.
So you’re telling me he would vote for Desantis, f-- outta here with Romney.
Nah, he just knows that nobody is talking about Rhonda Santis anymore
‘Virtually’? Who’s worse in his opinion?
How introducing, President Chris Brown
Maybe kanye west at this point. Idk he been being cray cray
Then vote Biden?
Can’t get over the fact that the malarkey guy is still the least bad option and neither can Bo Burnham
"Virtually* as in not literally because he will actually vote for any religious fascist bullshit for real…
Which religious fascist are you talking about?
I don’t really give a shit.
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