Even if you’ve never heard of any of the other terrible shit they’ve done, you have a live example of outrageous ableism from them, and you still jump to their defence (from 2 people who basically said “fuck peta” on the internet E: not even, they basically said “peta aren’t trustworthy” which is demonstrable fact)?
We (because fuck peta) are not the fucking problem here…
I’m vegan for a decade now and for a while I felt like I have to support peta because they fight for the right cause. But seeing all the shit they publish, I’m not that sure anymore
You can just look at this post and see how they try to scare people into not drinking cows milk through fear of autism, which is some ablest bullshit. This is literally no better than anti-vax rhetoric.
No, it doesn’t. It makes people discount anything you say because all you’re trying to do is draw attention to yourself. You end up being ignored and nobody cares about your message since the things you say are terrible.
I remember a cat adaptation campaign with the slogan “Grab them by the pussy” right after Trump said it (or when it came out) which is tasteless at best
The people who want us to give up all meat and even not have pets operate the biggest kill-shelter in the United States. They’re constantly preachy, condescending, they lie. Fuck em.
Euthanising animals that have nothing to live for any longer, who are dead-sick and are in agony. Compared to the billions of animals raised for animal ag, slaughtered on the daily, just to be sold for pennies in stores. I don’t think they’re the villain here, my guy.
The post we’re commenting on they’re saying milk causes autism, like out of their ass. Just like they did with vaccines. You say they aren’t the villain, but making shit up about people with medical conditions doesn’t make you a hero.
I agree with you. I don’t think this is a particularly useful spending of their time and resources since there’s a plethora of reasons not to consume dairy. However, you did bring up their kill shelters which I responded to.
Again, I am not defending them using their don’t-consume-dairy-to-prevent-autism shtick. I don’t agree with their outright villainisation in regards to everything else they do, which is definitely heaps more than the average non-vegan does in terms of pro-animal advocacy.
I don’t agree with their outright villainisation in regards to everything else they do, which is definitely heaps more than the average non-vegan does in terms of pro-animal advocacy.
What specifically have they achieved? What is all of this lying and showboating they constantly do getting them? Has there been a major societal shift toward veganism caused by PETA that I missed?
What I find shocking is you assumed the “before” image wasn’t shopped!
I went looking for evidence it was real and just found a bunch of people claiming it was from 2008, no snopes article (which shocked me) and a bunch of people on reddit saying it was teal but very outdated and to argue about something recent.
But both of y’all saw a post that was edited and treated the “before” as real. Remarkable
Or you could get your head out your ass pretending like it isn’t exactly the kind of bullshit peta have been pulling for years, put your bias and urge to jump to their defence for who the hell knows why to one side, and actually click some of the results?
Like the Time article that includes the following quote from peta:
But even in light of the criticism and the science that shows no such effects of milk, the group stands by its insupportable claim, saying, in a statement, “PETA’s website provides parents with the potentially valuable information that researchers have backed up many families’ findings that a dairy-free diet can help kids with autism.”
Hey. Put that shit away. I’m not experiencing a “bias” because I tried to confirm something I saw in an image macro before I got into a diatribe.
Are you okay? I’ve never seen you be this pissy on the fediverse before.
E: And because apparently it bears saying, even though I never indicated otherwise, fuck Peta. Seriously don’t know how “please make sure the thing you’re arguing about is worth arguing about” made me a Peta apologist. I’ve literally never met anyone, even online, who liked that organization.
You’re right, I didn’t verify it. I also didn’t email them about it or show my ass about it in public, just the discussion here where it was presented. Sounds like your research was inconclusive but thanks for looking into it.
Unlike milkautism, when I looked into them killing animals years ago, it sounded essentially defensible. What do you remember about it?
I might’ve looked it up because they took some family pet off a porch or something. Yikes.
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OK, Newsweek confirms they kill plenty of animals, and includes PETA’s reasoning. They’re not operating a hamburger factory or anything two faced that I can tell.
While this claim might turn out to be false, the amount of vitriol hurled towards Peta really is something else.
Even if you’ve never heard of any of the other terrible shit they’ve done, you have a live example of outrageous ableism from them, and you still jump to their defence (from 2 people who basically said “fuck peta” on the internet E: not even, they basically said “peta aren’t trustworthy” which is demonstrable fact)?
We (because fuck peta) are not the fucking problem here…
Because Peta engaged in ableism & Pseudoscience that later inspired the anti vaccine movement.
A) Exploiting and fuelling fear of a vulnerable group is evil.
B) They don’t get the benefit of “may turn out to be false”. They get to start at “fuck these bullshit lies”.
I’m vegan for a decade now and for a while I felt like I have to support peta because they fight for the right cause. But seeing all the shit they publish, I’m not that sure anymore
I guess PETA are useful for making regular vegans seem extremely tolerant and reasonable.
Do you have examples? I’ve been under the impression that they’re the good guys in most cases
You can just look at this post and see how they try to scare people into not drinking cows milk through fear of autism, which is some ablest bullshit. This is literally no better than anti-vax rhetoric.
This inspired the anti Vax movement.
I mean, not trying to defend this as this is pretty bad, but I guess it gets people talking and thinking about their consumption of animal products?
No, it doesn’t. It makes people discount anything you say because all you’re trying to do is draw attention to yourself. You end up being ignored and nobody cares about your message since the things you say are terrible.
Fair enough
Autism is not a bad thing, but they are acting as if it is.
How would you feel if the campaign said: “Drinking milk makes your child gay?”
Would it still be okay because it gets people thinking about their consumption of animal products?
I see what you mean
I remember a cat adaptation campaign with the slogan “Grab them by the pussy” right after Trump said it (or when it came out) which is tasteless at best
It is pretty tasteless, I’ll give you that. But it’s meant to be provocative, I think, and shocking, so the slogan did accomplish its goal.
Yes, they accomplish their goals, but (to come back to my first comment) is it really the right cause or does it alienate people?
Do they accomplish their goals? How many people can you point to who have said that they became a vegan because of PETA?
That’s my point. Their goal is provocation, the right cause would be to convince people which they don’t do
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down
They kidnapped and killed someone’s dog.
Not just one dog. They do it systematically
The people who want us to give up all meat and even not have pets operate the biggest kill-shelter in the United States. They’re constantly preachy, condescending, they lie. Fuck em.
Euthanising animals that have nothing to live for any longer, who are dead-sick and are in agony. Compared to the billions of animals raised for animal ag, slaughtered on the daily, just to be sold for pennies in stores. I don’t think they’re the villain here, my guy.
Miss me with the “my guy” shit. It’s smarmy.
The post we’re commenting on they’re saying milk causes autism, like out of their ass. Just like they did with vaccines. You say they aren’t the villain, but making shit up about people with medical conditions doesn’t make you a hero.
I agree with you. I don’t think this is a particularly useful spending of their time and resources since there’s a plethora of reasons not to consume dairy. However, you did bring up their kill shelters which I responded to.
Again, I am not defending them using their don’t-consume-dairy-to-prevent-autism shtick. I don’t agree with their outright villainisation in regards to everything else they do, which is definitely heaps more than the average non-vegan does in terms of pro-animal advocacy.
I just wanted to say that regardless of our opinions I was sort of rude in my phrasing. Sorry for that.
No worries. I appreciate you saying that.
What specifically have they achieved? What is all of this lying and showboating they constantly do getting them? Has there been a major societal shift toward veganism caused by PETA that I missed?
What I find shocking is you assumed the “before” image wasn’t shopped!
I went looking for evidence it was real and just found a bunch of people claiming it was from 2008, no snopes article (which shocked me) and a bunch of people on reddit saying it was teal but very outdated and to argue about something recent.
But both of y’all saw a post that was edited and treated the “before” as real. Remarkable
Or you could get your head out your ass pretending like it isn’t exactly the kind of bullshit peta have been pulling for years, put your bias and urge to jump to their defence for who the hell knows why to one side, and actually click some of the results?
Like the Time article that includes the following quote from peta:
Hey. Put that shit away. I’m not experiencing a “bias” because I tried to confirm something I saw in an image macro before I got into a diatribe.
Are you okay? I’ve never seen you be this pissy on the fediverse before.
E: And because apparently it bears saying, even though I never indicated otherwise, fuck Peta. Seriously don’t know how “please make sure the thing you’re arguing about is worth arguing about” made me a Peta apologist. I’ve literally never met anyone, even online, who liked that organization.
You’re right, I didn’t verify it. I also didn’t email them about it or show my ass about it in public, just the discussion here where it was presented. Sounds like your research was inconclusive but thanks for looking into it.
Remarkable
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down
They kidnapped a healthy dog from it’s home and euthanized it.
Unlike milkautism, when I looked into them killing animals years ago, it sounded essentially defensible. What do you remember about it?
I might’ve looked it up because they took some family pet off a porch or something. Yikes.
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OK, Newsweek confirms they kill plenty of animals, and includes PETA’s reasoning. They’re not operating a hamburger factory or anything two faced that I can tell.
ARE YOU BLIND
Because this would absolutely be in character for them, that’s why.