• gabe [he/him]@literature.cafe
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    7 months ago

    Welcome to the hell of being a lemmy admin. There’s a reason why lemmy admins are fed up with the developers.

    • gabe [he/him]@literature.cafe
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      7 months ago

      For context, there’s a lot that goes on behind the scenes when it comes to lemmy admin stuff especially in the matrix channels. There is a significant frustration and lack of confidence in the lemmy developers at this point. Even those who try to contribute to the project get eventually feeling pushed out.

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        7 months ago

        Based on what I’ve seen on the public facing part of the developer side, I get the feeling this isn’t the kind of group that can build the kind of organization required to make this sustainable in the long run.

        I’m just waiting for when Beehaw releases that they’ve given up on Lemmy and have created a new tech stack.

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          7 months ago

          It’s open source. We don’t have to depend on the original developers.

          If it gets too bad, someone can just make a fork.

          Afaik people are just impatient with the developers and have different short term goals.

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            7 months ago

            I mention a new tech stack because Beehaw brought it up as an option and a lot of people have commented on the difficulty of development in this environment.

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                7 months ago

                Rust seems like a great foundation.

                The fact that I know you’re referring to the programming language called “Rust” doesn’t make this sentence any less funny.

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                7 months ago

                It could still be rust. Code is always the easy part. Design and organization and funding are hard

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          7 months ago

          In terms of new tech stack currently theres sublinks being made by devs/admins of a bunch of instances (discuss.online, lemmy.world, programming.dev, etc.)

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        7 months ago

        That sucks. As a 3rd party Lemmy app developer, I’ve only had positive interactions with the Lemmy devs. They’re even being proactive in communications.

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          7 months ago

          Try submitting a pull request for something in one of the core repos.

          They behave as if every line of code in your commit is a sentence proclaiming “Why yes, your wife is a whore, your dog doesn’t love you, AND your baby is ugly.”

          I’m not kidding, there’s no hyperbole in that statement. Go read some of their declined pull requests threads for some entertainment.

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        7 months ago

        Even those who try to contribute to the project get eventually feeling pushed out.

        Submitting a pull request to one of their repos on Github was really an experience, and I can tell you that I will never submit another one to the Lemmy project while they’re still the lead devs based on that experience.

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        7 months ago

        What about kbin, isn’t that entirely different software that can be developed to phase out Lemmy?

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          7 months ago

          From what I heard Kbin’s developer is very inactive, so people started a fork called Mbin. Mbin might be alright?

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        7 months ago

        Better to publish such issues on a public website than let it get buried in matrix. People other than devs & instance admins need to be aware of the risks that they’re taking when using Lemmy.

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        7 months ago

        Perhaps there’s starting to be a Lemmy clone/alternative? I think it’s named Sublinks

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      7 months ago

      Not sure I understand. How could there possibly be a solution? Isn’t this an inherent problem with federation? You can’t un-share information

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        But you can delete your copy, ask others nicely to delete theirs, and refuse to accept more copies of the same thing.

        I’m not sure if Lemmy supports any of this, but it seems pretty important for e.g. child porn.

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          How can you refuse to accept more copies of the same thing, when you deleted all the version it can compare itself to?

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        7 months ago

        The images aren’t federated afaik. They live on your home instance. If somebody else views them, they’re loaded directly from there.

        However there’s no link between the images and your account. You can’t delete them yourself because Lemmy doesn’t store the “delete token”. They’re effectively orphaned.

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          7 months ago

          Not true, images are federated. Sometimes they are not copied if your instance has a lower image size limit than the instance the image came from (if the image is too large), but generally images are copied between instances.

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            7 months ago

            I did check a few embedded images, and they still seemed to be served from the original. So I dunno. Maybe they’re copied and still served from the original, which would be an odd thing to do.

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              Aah the embedded ones in comments? Yes to my knowledge those aren’t federated. But pictures posted as posts will be federated.