Fast food used to be shit quality for little money.
Now its shit quality for a fuckton of money.
Cook at home folks, more nutricious, tastes better, is cheaper and if you pick the right recipes its also fast.
And if you don’t want to cook for yourself, at least go to a local take-out restaurant that probably costs less than the shitty fast food, even if you have to wait a few more minutes for it.
if you call in advance they are usually the same speed if not faster
When FDR created the minimum wage he explicitly stated that someone making it should be able to live in some comfort. That meant not just food and shelter, but some savings and a chance to have a few nice things.
In 1960, minimum wage was $1.00/hour. The average house was $11,000.00. Two people could eat and go to a concert for $5.00. In those days, $1 million was an incredible fortune.
And now, $1 million probably isnt even enough to retire
That’s the other crazy thing. Look at all the millionaire actors and music stars. They have much bigger incomes than past artists, but is Tom Hanks or Taylor Swift really that much richer than John Wayne or Marilyn Monroe? A doctor today is giving his family the life a moderately successful plumber had 50 years ago.
What is a doctor if not a body plumber?
Now you’re plumbing the depths in search of cuteness.
These historical comparisons always get me. Yeah, as a middle class American in 2024 I have a microwave and health insurance which does mean in some ways my life is “better” than Andrew Carnegie’s life 130 years ago. But he could just hire a huge staff for his mansion. He could buy whole libraries and gift them to cities.
Your comparisons of a modern doctor to Marilyn Monroe… Well a modern doctor is probably working 60 hours a week to get that $300,000 salary. Marilyn Monroe probably could have just… Retired while the doctor needs to work another couple decades to pay off student loans…
There’s no apple to apple comparison. Standard of living and expectations change. But you can’t just erase the simple pleasures of being famously rich because now microwaves exist.
Your comparisons of a modern doctor to Marilyn Monroe…
I compared Monroe to Taylor Swift.
I compared the doctor to a plumber.
Yeah and they are still bad comparisons. A doctor will command respect and prestige in their community in a way unfortunately a plumber will generally not. Inflation and technological advancements don’t really change that.
Your argument seems cousin to the Fox News type about microwaves and refrigerators. I don’t really think it makes sense to make these time traveling comparisons at all.
Where did I talk about the plumber being as respected as the doctor?
According to a financial advisor I recently spoke with, it’s not. Guess I’ll be working all the way into my grave. 🤷♂️
The wages of fast food workers have been increasing over the past decade. Ten years ago, their median wage was $8.69/hr. Today, it’s over $14/hr. In California, the minimum is now $20/hr.
Increased wages for low income workers are good, since they have outpaced inflation. But they will inevitably result in increased prices. It’s unrealistic to expect the employer to absorb all of the increased costs.
And fast food employers often couldn’t absorb the wage increases even if they wanted to. Remember, a McDonald’s employee isn’t paid by McDonald’s HQ, they are paid by the person who runs the individual location, who is also paying McDonald’s HQ for ingredients. Some of the franchise owners are doing well, some of them aren’t, but all of them are going to raise prices.
In other words, if you don’t want to pay more for fast food, then you don’t actually want to see fast food workers earn a better wage.
In other words, if you don’t want to pay more for fast food, then you don’t actually want to see fast food workers earn a better wage.
If a business relies on exploitation, it shouldn’t exist. If paying the workers a living wage means raising the prices beyond a sustainable level for the business, this business shouldn’t exist. If a business pays out millions in bonuses to it’s executives while the workers are relying on government subsidies, the business shouldn’t exist.
That’s true. But restaurant owners aren’t paying millions to anyone.
And hiking prices to pay fast food employees more isn’t unsustainable. It just means customers won’t eat fast food as often as they used to.
I’m happy to say that I emphatically want better wages for service industry workers. IDC how much food goes up, or how many mega franchises have to close for it. Either better wages, or cause these these super franchises to close so mom and pops and open instead.
I also don’t think it’s unrealistic to expect businesses to give up a small portion of their infinite growth targets to actually cover their employees needs. Maybe a large departure from the past 50 years, but it’s absolutely something most of them can afford.
If a business genuinely can’t afford it, then I’d also be okay with my tax money going towards a business analysis for that owner to find a way to make it work. If they still can’t, then how long were they really going to be open anyway and what were they really adding to their community?
unrealistic to expect businesses to give up a small portion of their infinite growth targets
Almost no restaurants, including fast food restaurants, have infinite growth targets. A lot of them are struggling to survive.
From a business perspective, most fast food franchises are mom-and-pop locations. They are not owned by a giant corporation. The giant corporation simply sells them ingredients and sets their menu.
That’s out of date.
Median fast food wage in US is now $14/hr. A Big Mac in Denmark is now 49 krone, which is $7.10
Of course, it’s still true that unions provide better pay and benefits to employees. But the price of a Big Mac is roughly a third of the hourly wage in both the US and Denmark.
Well yeah, that shit’s expensive.
Which is ironic as fast food used to have 2 appeals - quick and cheap.
I’m not sure how quick they are these days because I can no longer afford it.
Which is ironic
Is it tho?
It’s capitalism, once you dominate the market share you raise prices.
Fast food pushed out small local shops, but there’s a few major chains everywhere. So now they’re more expensive than sit down restaurants, because the “speed” which isn’t all that fast anymore is treated as a premium and not a side effect from being cheap/easy food.
Like, everything is based off stock price, and stock price is about profit margin going up. And that’s exponential, it’s not mathematically possible to keep going up.
The only way is to keep pushing up prices and making products shittier.
It’s not irony, it’s working as intended.
Capitalism only works when you break up monopolies regularly so there can be competition.
Hell, this is way more evident in a franchise model. The actual owners can’t really do anything, they’re locked in long leases and are forced to buy from only one supplier.
If McDonald’s says party prices go up 50%, the franchise owner has literally zero options. They have to pay it.
The whole system is fucked and pretty much a pyramid scheme.
Just to add, Reagan ‘deregulated’ the hell out of the economy. It gave America a phoney boom in the 1980s.
In 1980, ‘middle class’ was still one Union job supporting a family of four, and $1 million was considered a vast fortune. By 1992, middle class was two incomes to keep the house going, and $1 million was what a rich guy paid for a party.
Republicans break shit, moderate Dems neglect to fix it.
For generations we’ve had a steady march to the right because of that system.
And considering the same people/corporations donate to both parties, it doesn’t seem overly cynical to say ourmodern political system is working exactly as the wealthy designed it to work.
Moderate Dems get elected because this country isn’t progressive. We collectively want these things to happen, which is why they do.
Progressive policy is popular regardless of labels or even parties.
Even in 2020 most Americans wanted single payer healthcare.
But because trump ran as a Republican, that meant the Dem candidate couldn’t want to fix healthcare, for some reason is till don’t understand.
We collectively want healthcare to be improved, but the people who donate to both parties don’t, which is why it doesn’t happen.
Either our government is representative of its people and they don’t really want those things, or it’s not representative of its people and needs destroyed. See the Declaration of Independence for more information.
If voting didn’t work, the GOP wouldn’t be trying to prevent people from voting.
If you don’t like the Dem candidates in your area, you can contribute to AOC or Omar.
It’s absolutely a pyramid scheme. And now we’re at the stage where we hollow out the inside of the pyramid to keep making it taller.
It is since people decided that you should order through a unified app and have it delivered.
Fast food can be cheap if you start away from the sucker options, but not when you’re sending half your food money to a silicon valley billionaire.
When the fuck has eating out ever been anything else?
This does bring the question up in my mind of what a restaurant that wasn’t a luxury would look like, ie, something that sells ready to eat food at prices that make it competitive with cooking at home, and which is healthy enough to eat on a daily basis without ill effect. My guess is that it would be largely a matter of having to carefully choose recipes that both use ingredients that are cheap in bulk, and able to be at least partially automated to keep staff costs low, but which are still nutritious and rely on minimal processed ingredients. Probably soups and chili and the like I’d imagine.
It’s a place where they have a large tray of food and you just plop some on your own smaller tray. Basically the same as the college dining hall. A small amount of staff can provide meals for thousands during the lunch hour.
Hmm sounds like luxury to me.
You may be interested in automats.
I’ve heard of them before, but my assumption was that whatever factor about fast food had killed them off, probably would still be in play to prevent them returning unless optimized even further somehow
Not an expert, but I’d guess that automats were an urban phenomenon that were displaced by the post-war boom in cars. You sat and ate in at an automat. There was no take out window. A quick look shows that the last one in New York closed in 1991. Also found an article saying they might come back
Luxury price while receiving sub par service.
Good. A first step vmgetting the obesity numbers down.
It is a luxury so is.grocery shopping. Meanwhile we are told that there is no inflation
Who the hell is saying there is no inflation?
Inflation is well under control, quite low in fact. Lemmy has this bizarre view that because prices didn’t come down, inflation is still rampant.
That is not how the world works, hell, that not even how the word works. Inflation is a measure of how quickly prices are rising. Deflation is when prices go down, and it’s generally an awful sign for the economy. tl:dr; Prices go down, you lose your job.
Prices go down, you lose your job.
Prices go up, you also lose your job.
Prices stay the same? Believe it or not, lose your job.
We have the best economy in the world because of losing your job.
From the article - they believe eating fast food should be cheaper than eating at home, but isn’t. What kind of fucked up belief is this? No wonder they view fast food as a luxury.
It was when I was a kid. “We have food at home” is what my mother always said when we wanted some fast food. That was in the 70s.
Used to be able to get $1 cheeseburgers. The loose change menu was a huge thing here, you could actually wander in with some coins and walk out with some food.
At $1 a burger, in less than 3 minutes, that’s way cheaper, “tastier” (subjective), faster, and no cleaning up, than having a pot of lentil curry.
Fucked up? It’s not a matter of what “should be.” It was reality for decades. When were you born?
When I was growing up dominos did the “5-5-5” deal. $15+tax for 3 medium 1-topping pizzas. You can feed like 6-10 people with that depending on their age. You’re talking like $2 a person.
$1 menus included 1-2 sandwich options. Usually a chicken sandwich (obviously fried not grilled).
Meals with fries and drinks were $4-6 all in.
This was the 90’s and 2000’s. You could feed a family of 4 with $10 or less without much thought.
It was possible to feed people for less than $1/serving then. Fast food has always been more expensive than home cooking on a per serving basis.
No it wasn’t, a frozen pizza was always cheaper than dominos. And I don’t know what kind of little only eat one third of a medium pizza.
I usually finished one myself. Well okay, I’m a big man, but still.
A small? Sure. A medium? Most kids do not eat an entire medium pizza. Not until their teen years at least.
So when you said it feeds 6 to 10 people, you meant 6 to 10 children? Lol
No. An adult would be content on half a medium pizza, sadly not nourished of course but that’s being broke for you. 2 people per. This an estimate dude not weighed down to the gram/calorie. And when you’re broke, you sometimes just get a greasy item or two and call it a day.
None of y’all are factoring time and knowledge into this either. Fast food for a family? Minutes, no thought. Cooking regularly for a family? Basically a part time job.
An adult would be content on half a medium pizza
A medium cheese pizza from dominos is 1660 calories. A slice is 210 calories.
630 calories (3 slices) for a meal seems about right.
A pan pizza from dominos is 2320 calories. a slice is 290 calories.
Two slices for the pan pizza seems fine too and with their typical pickup deals is the same price.
Though their deals usually give you two toppings for free. My favorite is Chicken, Bacon, Ranch sauce on pan. It’s 2,960 a pizza, or 370 per slice. Right now my local dominos offers these for $8 each if you buy two. 6000 calories for $16. Stupid cheap and feeds minimum 6 people who want a thousand calorie meal each.
I eat 2700 calories a day to maintain my weight. If I ate a 600 calorie meal, I would be considered on a diet since I read 3 meals a day.
I definitely get the appeal of fast food. It might also depend on what a “Medium” pizza is.
6 people for 3 medium pizzas doesn’t seem too bad, especially if there’s other snacks or food. But if I had 10 people with 3 medium pizzas, I think I’d have 10 hungry people and 0 pizzas left, haha
Sure. 10 adults is more like a party though. I’m thinking more like my family, two adults and two kids. Cooking for the four of us is very time consuming and requires a ton of research and shopping and trial and error. Not to mention the pickiness of children, so a lot of food gets wasted or doesn’t end up in your family’s stomaches. It is so much work making 12 relatively balanced plates of food a day and it is very expensive. So some people throw up their hands, grab some pizzas or happy meals, and say “I’ll do better next time.”
grocery store food is now a luxury too
sure voting Trump or Biden will fix it depending on what color you like
How much of the increased price of fast food is because restaurants have to pay workers more than $7.25/hour now? It seems like the entire business model of cheap fast food was premised on low-quality food and labor costs so low that most fast-food workers qualified for public assistance. Leaving aside the low-quality oligarchical food product industry and just looking at the labor side, it’s still a failure. And a business model that relies on food stamps and welfare for its employees really isn’t a business model.
Exactly. Guess those who disliked didn’t read it through.
Turns out, the entire business model of fast food chains is based off ripping its employees.
Now that this loophole is closed, we see the real price of it.
Next step is to realize that it’s not fast food that is expensive - it’s our salaries that are pressed down so much we can’t afford some fries.
This is the EXACT reason why prices NEVER WENT UP until the $7.25 Minimum Wage was RAISED!
