A group of undecided Latino voters said they would vote for President Joe Biden after watching his Thursday night debate with former President Donald Trump.
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A clip posted on X shows the group being interviewed by a journalist. One man said he would vote for Biden because “Trump sounded like a crazy liar,” according to Matt A. Barreto, professor of Political Science and Chicana/o & Central American Studies at UCLA.
The man being interviewed said Trump “said the same thing time after time” and was not answering questions or “saying how he would fix things,” according to a Newsweek translation.
He went on to admit that “Biden was indeed a bit slow in talking,” saying the president “has a stutter” but believes Biden explained "what he has done and what he is still doing while president.
“After being undecided for a little while, I think today, I switched to Biden,” he added.
Are the undecided voters in the room with us right now?
You laugh, but I still have no idea what I’m going to do in November.
I’m in Texas, so it doesn’t really matter. But its not something I enjoy thinking about.
Texas is more purple than you think. PLEASE vote and PLEASE spread the word that every vote matters, because Trump supporters are far less defeatist than Biden supporters. Don’t give them the illusion that your state is any more Republican than it already is by not voting.
Texas is more purple than you think.
Fool me once…
let me put it this way:
Texas will likely NOT flip blue this year for the presidential election. The presidency is not the only thing on the ballot. Other positions are easier to flip blue, which will give democrats incumbency, prior experience, etc. that will make it easier for them to hold higher offices later. If you’re going to foster up-and-coming politicians whose beliefs align more closely with your own, you have to vote for them early in their careers. So you have to vote. So you might as well make your state LOOK a little more purple so fewer doubters choose not to vote next time around
Other positions are easier to flip blue
Not under the current gerrymander.
Being a defeatist isn’t helping anyone. Gerrymandering is a problem but it isn’t bulletproof, and broad changes to voting patterns will overcome gerrymandering. Those district borders are drawn from historical voting data, which will become inaccurate if you charge your own status from non-voter to voter
Being a defeatist isn’t helping anyone.
Being realistic means not spinning yourself up into a lather and bashing yourself against a brick wall until you break.
I mean I’m from the UK but votes in Texas absolutely do matter, arguably more than most states. Get your shit together man, it’s not just a presidential issue, it’s the entire government and the supreme court appointment at stake.
Being from the UK, you might be unaware that Texas is not a battleground state. As a solid Red state, votes for national offices cast there have no effect.
Sure, they can have Democrats as mayors of the urban centers, but the jerrymandered senate and congressional seats will go to Republicans.
Yes I am aware that Texas is full of morons that vote to hurt themselves. However, 5,890,347 votes were cast republican, and 5,259,126 were cast democrat. It’s not as deep red sea as you believe it to be.
Current projections show the state not turning purple 'til the end of the decade at the earliest thanks to the influx of Republicans from California and an exodus of Democrats to blue states like Colorado.
So… That means don’t vote? I don’t understand what you’re trying to say to be honest
My point is that working within a system that’s designed to disenfranchise us is an exercise in futility, and telling people in red states to go vote is more likely to frustrate than inspire them. If voting is the beginning and end of your political participation, then you can be controlled simply by controlling who gets to be on the ballot.
When the government becomes intolerable, we must become ungovernable.
We need to build alternative structures of power that can organize around the intransigence of the State. This means forming affinity groups that serve community needs despite government opposition, like how the Black Panthers had school breakfast and literacy programs.
It’s hard to vote for Joe Biden but it’s really fucking easy to vote against Donald Trump.
Why is it so important that everyone vocalize exactly how reluctant they are to vote for Biden? Has his administration really done so poorly? I understand the frustration with Israel but that has more to do with us as a country historically as well as with how strong our ties with Israel are. I don’t know how fast everyone expects us to break all those bonds, and they somehow expect there to be no backlash either?
Apparently patience is just gone in the internet age.
After watching the debate, it’s natural for many of us on the left to feel a little queasy about voting for Biden. The man’s time has long since passed. It makes sense that many would feel compelled to vocalize their reluctance while still voting for him.
I will vote for Biden, but this whole situation is a shit show and I worry for the future of the country. Hopefully the DNC can get their shit together and drum up some solid candidates moving forward because the republicans show no sign of moving away from the far right.
I will admit it is especially embarrassing on the global stage, but I guess the US is t the only country right now dealing with some nonsense.
I wonder if the propaganda from other nations is really that good or if we really just love to argue.
Yes it is embarrassing, yes other countries have similar issues, yes propaganda was and is very good at sowing dissent, and yes it does appear that we argue more when tensions are high.
Even like to argue about how to relive the tension! Oh well I still think things are moving forward, maybe a lot of this is the backlash of all the moneyed interests against the people.
For fucks sake the dude couldn’t even make a coherent point during the debate, even forgetting what he was talking about mid sentence.
You really don’t see a problem? No problem at all?
You’re talking about Trump right? Here’s the transcript:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-partial-rush-transcript/ar-BB1p2fcX
There’s a reason why most of Trump’s cabinet from his one term don’t endorse him for a second term. He’s nuts.
I think that some of us hoped “strong ties” would maybe stop at “enabling genocide.” Biden has signaled disapproval, but the US is also basically threatening the ICC for making a warrant for bibi. Absolutely unhinged shit. Dude is unquestionably a war criminal.
It sort of makes sense if you see it as trying to salvage Israel as a partner, although a lot of people, myself included, would rather just cut ties with Israel altogether.
Now I wish there were other candidates.
Who is “undecided” after 8 years of dealing with this clown? Have these people been in a coma?
Or is it the usual I’m embarrassed to tell you I’ll be voting for fascism “undecided”?
Some people are actually torn between the two, their close family and community lives are so intermingled with both that they actually are both seen as reasonable choices and are waiting to hear more about them to make a decision.
I don’t see anything wrong with people waiting to see the candidates speak unassisted for nearly 2 hours in a rapid fire debate setting where they had to:
- Lay out their vision for the future
- Defend past decisions since both were/are president
- Handle the juvenile bickering that is bound to happen
Its one of the most honest and open displays of exactly who these candidates are, and even though I was already likely to vote Biden, I do feel better after hearing his IDEAS and THOUGHTS despite how he said them.
Switch undecided with unmotivated.
They might not care to remember to vote in November
Weird title when the split they cite is 45% and 44% not going to lie. I cant find out why that implies what the titles says.
What, really?
I mean, holy shit, I’m not going to question divine providence from fucking Jupiter or whoever the fuck it is watching over elections, so, hey, you know, what convinces you convinces you.
I feel like even though biden didn’t perform well, trump just said way too many obvious lies. Like saying the nazi rally in charlottesville was just a lie made up by biden?? Despite there being photos of it???
It’s basically just depends if you stayed tuned. I mean I have perfect sympathy for someone who watched the first 15 or 20 minutes and then turn it off because you know damn. However the longer it went the worst Trump got and Biden kind of leveled out though never got impressive by any means.
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My exact scenario and feelings.
Y’all need to figure out how to regulate your emotions better.
Is everyone posting in this thread an alcoholic or something?
I’m starting to think the takeaway from this entire post is how irrational and emotional Americans are, regardless of who they support.
This is common knowledge to the extent the old Avalon Hill military strategy board games from 50 years ago had rules to emphasize the emotional instability of american troops.
It’s also early. We still have 5 months and way more debates.
He was saying that the Dems saying that he said there were fine people in the KKK or that the people coming out of the woods carrying torches swastikas were fine people was a lie…
At least Biden attempted to directly answer questions. Trump repeatedly evaded them to talk about whatever he wanted during his allotted time.
Biden struggled to recall accurate information.
Trump effortlessly ranted and lied.
Both were embarrassing. One was worse.
Trump has never proven if he can recall accurate information either though.
He doesn’t need to do that for his own camp. He just needs to sound like he’s winning an argument.
The undecided voters may have been waiting for clear substantiation of goals and accomplishments. Biden did a terrible job explaining his own, but Trump was clearly evasive with the majority of his responses.
Both were embarrassing. One was worse.
Oh, no doubt. I’m just not used to ‘swing voters’ agreeing with me on the subject.
That’s true. It’s crazy to consider. They’ve both served one term. There is a proven track record of successes and failures. Anyone undecided must not have been paying attention.
If you were listening for actual policy Biden crushed trump.
I mean, this is pretty standard for Biden. He has had that stutter and aphasia for decades.
And yes, if your goal is a Reaction video or to call him weak and push an accelerationist agenda, that is horrible.
Anyone else? “Okay, he said th-th-thousands when he meant millions. It happens and it shouldn’t but people should also not be taking hard statistics from political speeches. Wait, they made fourteen fucking million jobs??!?”
There is no argument that Biden did not accomplish what he needed to on Wednesday. He and the Democratic Party fucked up. But trump also did not accomplish what he needed to do and I think we mostly came out net neutral. Is net neutral at all acceptable at this point? No. But Biden has shown, time and time again, that he is really good at winning people over over time.
Hope you’re right. I’m all-in for a Biden victory, of course, because I’m not a lunatic or a fascist, but God, Biden ain’t good for my nerves, that much is for sure.
People were pissed at me calling this yesterday.
I was wondering why they all abruptly stopped messaging me a couple hours ago.
The decided voters are where they are.
If you’re undecided, and you watch this debate with an open mind, there’s only one logical conclusion if you want your life to get better, and that’s to vote for Biden.
It was 4 years of trump damaging the US, telling lies and objectively being shown not to follow through on what he says, then being found liable for rape and treason.
Even though Biden mumbled some words, his answered questions were believable because they were in line with the last 4 years of his administration, that have been great for civil rights,the environment, sustainable technology, infrastructure and the economy.
No-brainer for the undecided.
Two party system is too vague and horrific. Will never vote for anyone in either party.
I might just be a drop in the pond, but I’ll vote independent for the rest of my life.
That’s the way, I usually vote independent.
This time, though, Biden is doing everything I was looking for from the green party so yeah, I’m good this round.
Do you have a single issue that you’re voting on , or is it just independent on principle regardless of the issues?
Really? He shuffled on and was so incoherent I was shocked. I turned it off after ten minutes as it was embarrassing to watch. They need someone better.
Absolutely absurd.
He’s been doing a great job for 4 years, standing next to dumps, who can’t string two sentences together, and being asked palatable questions that basically mean nothing, I think he did pretty well for an 81-year-old.
Also, biden’s a great president, they don’t need anyone better.
I’m not commenting on the four years, I’m not American, but on what I saw. It was not a pretty sight. “pretty well…” isn’t a great measure, is it? Not many are saying he came out looking well
Are you going off the two five-second clips that are being repeated everywhere or the entire debate?
For an event that means so little substantively, “pretty well” is a good metric.
If you walk through a manure mister and look pretty well at the end of it, you’re good.
Also, he has regular public performances before and after that event, if you watch any of those, he’s fine.
4 years of effective administration is more significant testament to biden’s ability to lead than standing on stage next to an idiot for 90 minutes.
I watched the first ten minutes of the ‘debate’ and had had enough.
I don’t know how many watched the ones prior and subsequent to this, but… 68m people (if I remember rightly) watched this.
The past four years don’t mean much for the forthcoming election at the end of the year when the concerns of people are not being addressed, by someone who struggles to walk and speak coherently.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0jXKYxpaiUE5fSPyiHKnQN?si=42896b8bbce34857
There are plenty of people worried about this, and calls for him to step down are significant. If he’s like this now, what’s he going to be like in his mid-80s? This does not look good.
You can say: the past four years! as much as you like, it won’t matter if Biden loses, which is a more realistic prospect than it was last week.
Many people who didn’t watch the debate, don’t regularly watch his public appearances and read internet comments feel the same way you do.
Calls for biden to step down are not significant in the real world, they are baseless epithets repeated on the internet by anonymous strangers or established conservatives.
The concerns of people are being addressed, any claims to the contrary are not based in fact.
“what’s he going to be like in his mid-80s”
Not as important to holding the office of the President as people are misapprehending. Biden’s not a car salesman, he is administering a country, and he’s good at it. He can wear polka dot bow ties for all I care. FDR was in a wheelchair and often couldn’t speak at all.
Anyone who believes there’s any reason to replace Biden as the presidential candidate at this point is either allowing themself to be fooled by internet trolls or is a troll themselves.
Anyone who believes there’s any reason to replace Biden as the presidential candidate at this point is either allowing themself to be fooled by internet trolls or is a troll themselves.
What do you think now? The writing was on the wall three weeks ago.
First ten minutes were the worst, after that Biden started to make at least some reasonable points.
People also seem to be completely brushing off him having a cold like it was just some campaign lie. To me that’s exactly what he looked like: completely out of it from being sick. I get like that when I’m ill and I’m not even half his age. Given his campaign events and state of the union have not been the same it seems pretty clear to me that it wasn’t simply him being old unless I’m missing something.
Fair. Initial impressions can be damning.
I mean, a sample of 8 is not really a sample, but I can see it being true for some undecided voters if those voters are savvy to know a lie when they see one (plus not everyone cares about the age narrative).
That said, how is anyone undecided at this point? I wouldn’t exactly trust them to breathe and walk at the same time, let alone vote informed.
Doom and gloom aside, we’re still a few months out so things happening now aren’t going to make a huge difference. I just wish this wasn’t all up to indecisive people in indecisive states…
Not saying I get it, but most undecided voters I know are undecided between voting for Biden and not voting. They don’t seem to care about the implications of a Trump presidency, and nothing can get through to them. They just don’t want to vote for Biden.
Obligatory, I’m holding my nose in November
Wait til the media have carped on about it for months
Hey, look!!! They found a couple people that are voting for Biden
I don’t get it. Why kid yourself that Biden can still win this? This is like watching Hillary drop in the polls all over again.
The D’s need to pull him now.
