Just the fact that Trump said he was hit by a bullet leads me to believe it’s not true.
Bake 'em away toys! Case closed!
The distinction here is hardly relevant.
It is relevant to history. You can either tell the Trump story that a bullet hit his ear, or you can say that he caught shrapnel.
The only way that would be relevant would be if there was a determination that the shooter was trying to do some kind of ad hoc false flag thing, as opposed to writing his own name into history. Everything we know at this point indicates that the latter is true, and the former is not.
Whether Trump’s injury was the result of a fired projectile or a piece of shrapnel, the injury was caused by an assassination attempt.
The truth is still the truth, even if there is no material difference in the implications.
That’s true.
except if the shooter was just shooting into the crowd and hit like a railing or something then it wasn’t an “assassination attempt” it was a mass shooting.
Frankly, it could be a mass-shooting anyway, simply one that had a high-profile figure as one of the targets. Apparently he had explosives in his car and some sort of remote detonation mechanism, so it was clearly about more than just Trump alone.
It’s also relevant because one of Trump’s current campaign statements is that he “took a bullet for America” which may be another lie.
It would certainly neuter that (over)statement, but I honestly wouldn’t go as far as to call that one a “lie” without some indication that he knew that it wasn’t a bullet he was hit by. I don’t think that even a reasonable person wouldn’t come to the conclusion that “Shots were fired, at me, now my ear is bleeding all over my face” as “I was hit by a bullet.”
I disagree.
The sheer number of lies he tells, what difference is one more? Especially an inconsequential one?
We’re all fairly sure it wasn’t the bullet, but glass, or shrapnel or whatever, but that buries the lede.
The point here is whether it was an assassination attempt or a false flag attempt (personally I think assassination) and that trumps own hateful rhetoric has created such a ridiculous scenario where this shit happens.
Because it’s always important to point out the hypocrisy of his fake patriotic bullshit. Every lie should be pointed out, to everyone who will listen.
But then you lose the bigger point that his rhetoric and horse shit has lead us here.
You’re too zoomed in.
ad hoc false flag
Dont be in such a rush to rule this out lol. Ad hoc false flag should be Trump’s middle names
He’s always been a real ad war hoc
Not really. I’ll give you a “for instance”. Few people know this story.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Arutyunian.
In this case, although in danger, Trump was being shot at by someone who couldn’t shoot.
The grenade failed to detonate. Although original reports indicated that the grenade was not live, it was later revealed that it was. After Arutyunian pulled the pin and threw the grenade, it hit a girl, cushioning its impact. The red handkerchief remained wrapped around the grenade, and it prevented the striker lever from releasing.
No mention of it being “a training grenade [which] could not fire.” Source?
If it was shrapnel then it dispels the idea that if he’d turned his head just a few inches it would’ve been death.
If my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a bicycle, too.
I mean, sure? But we are getting pretty far into “what if” territory that can never be known and doesn’t really matter. If he was hit by a bullet, or shrapnel from a bullet doesn’t change the fact he was injured by a shooter.
Yeah, this feels like a good headline more than useful information.
It’s relevant to the folks who believe in divine intervention, isn’t it?
The folks who believe in divine intervention don’t care about what actually happens in reality in any case, so no, it’s not relevant to them, either.
I would think that the difference between it being a bullet vs a piece of glass would be the difference between divine intervention or not to many of them.
If logic worked on religious people, then there wouldn’t be religious people. They will just say the bullet WOULD’VE killed him, but god stopped it and only hurt him with glass. God can’t be proven or disproven, so those that want to see divine intervention always will.
If you’re someone who’s going to claim divine intervention, it’s to reinforce your own beliefs, and message to the people who hear you that you hold those beliefs. Glass vs. bullet isn’t going to matter.
People who believe in fantasy and fairytales aren’t going to be swayed by the nuance of fact.
The only interesting thing about it might be that it once again points out the hypocrisy of the right.
They mocked John Kerry as undeserving of his purple hearts, wore fake bandaids because he was hit with shrapnel.
… it once again points out the hypocrisy of the right.
We could climb that pile into orbit.
FBI Director Christopher Wray revealed during a marathon testimony on Wednesday that investigators still do not know if former President Donald Trump was grazed by a bullet or a piece of shrapnel during his attempted assassination.
Who was he attempting to assassinate?
Yeah, what if this whole thing was actually to kill Corey Comperatore.
One conspiracy is that he was paid off to shoot up the rally and Trump would cut his ear WWE style to garner sympathy.
Edit: I do not believe in this theory btw
Emphasis: conspiracy theory.
There’s no way a bullet “grazes” an ear and it’s not obvious… He’d be legitimately missing cartilage, he was seen golfing days later without even a bandaid on it
I don’t think at any point any source has said he was shot.
Just that he was shot at, and came up with a bleeding ear.
Not saying he cut it himself, just that it probably got scratched at some point.
Due to Trump’s age and, well, just everything about him, he’s most likely on blood thinners. Which would make even a tiny scratch bleed like a motherfucker. It makes you bleed fast and takes forever to clot. A normal nick that barely bleeds normally would look like a murder scene
Add in the adrenaline and it’s really going to pump out.
The most logical explanation is (and always has been) a SS agent accidentally scratched his ear while he kept trying to stand up.
Beyond physical injury, Trump’s description of the event – along with Wray saying the FBI is unsure – really makes me lean toward it not being a direct wound.
Trump said he heard bullets “whizzing” by. A supersonic bullet directly next to your ear isn’t going to make a whizzing sound like on TV; there’s going to be a loud, distinct crack from the sonic boom as it passes by.
I fully believe Trump would be leaning into that hard if that’s what he’d heard. “It was like thunder next to my head. The loudest thunder. The greatest thunder you’ve ever heard. HUEG thunder.” It’s exactly the kind of thing he loves to play up.
I mean, the biggest reason is if he had an actual wound he’d be shoving it into every camera within a golf cart ride of him.
It would be all over the place. The only reason trump would cover it up, is if there was nothing there.
The take-away here seems to be not that Herr Furher is stealing valor, rather, that he was standing adjacent to it.
I bet any amount of money that he cut himself while he was down on the ground
