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    12 days ago

    “Once noble party” - ffs.

    Jill Stein is a bad actor in this election, she understands how the electoral college works and she understands she’s weakening the democratic party position. But let’s not blame shift - the Democrats could be much better on climate change then they are today and if they were better Stein’s BS wouldn’t have such an easy time attracting voters. I dislike the title posing it as “Stein may hand Trump the whitehouse again.”

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      Even if the argument about getting X% of votes was true, the states to campaign heavy in would be the deep blue/red states. Especially since they tend to get ignored by candidates.

      Instead she sticks to the states where <30k votes could decide the election and the market is saturated with the most expensive ad costs

      It’s blantantly obvious what’s she’s doing.

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        Yeah, that’s the nature of the Electoral College. It sucks. Do you think the Electoral College is something Kamala Harris invented or even wants?

        Hate the game, not the playa.

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          I think you replied to the wrong person. And I’m not sure why you had to include a giant screenshot

          Every instance that federates now has to host that. If everyone was this inconsiderate of server space the federverse couldn’t exist.

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            It wasn’t giant on my end, it looked like 2 thumbnails that broke apart into a 2 mile long post that couldn’t be scrolled, so I deleted it. And then your response appeared.

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              It’s now posted three times as a parent comment to the thread…

              And the way deletion works on federated instance none of them are likely to be removed…

              So now 4 copies are taking up space on every instance federated with .world, it adds up

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        funny that with instant runoff voting, your vote would go to a larger party as soon as your fringe candidate got eliminated.

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          Perhaps, but I’d feel a lot better knowing I was able to vote for my fringe nutjob without handing their fringe nutjob the Whitehouse. And if my fringe nutjob lost, then I could still keep voting for who I truly believe is best. And by the time all my fringe nutjobs were eliminated, and I had to vote for a Democrat again, I’d at least know that we truly and democratically came to that answer. I don’t have to be “right” about the best candidate, but I hate casting a damage control vote that feels like a lie.

          So as it stands, I hate voting, I hate having to vote for Democrats, and I just suck it up and do it anyway because we don’t have the time to collectively push for a better option.

          Plus, if everyone could vote for their fringe nutjob without fear of giving the election to the worst possible option, we might find out that more people support ideas outside of the two party system. Maybe even shifting the Overton window and opening the door for a more representative electorate.

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          not when the ballot looks like:

          ___ democrat
          ___ republican
          ___ independent
          ___ independent
          _2_ honest guy without a chance in hell
          ___ who da fk is this guy
          _1_ fringe nutjob

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            Run off voting would give the honest guy the greatest chance at winning. There would be no strategic voting, just voting for the one who best represents you, and a bare minimum contingency.

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        So you’re saying that Jill Stein, the Russian asset who is actively working to get Donald Trump elected president, represents you and your group?

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          They need to earn votes.

          The Senate investigated that dinner and found nothing. Everything you don’t like isnt always Russian

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            lol, what a stupid way to say “yes, Jill Stein and her active campaign to get Donald Trump elected does support my values”

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            Online trolls from the Kremlin-backed Internet Research Agency used social media to promote Stein’s candidacy during the 2016 campaign, according to an indictment brought by special counsel Robert Mueller against the Russian organization and 13 of its employees. The Russians’ pro-Stein efforts included paid advertisements on Facebook that explicitly encouraged Americans to vote for Stein, according to the indictment.

            A summation of the report’s findings on “comprehensive anti-Hillary Clinton operations” said while the group’s assumed Twitter personas had some pro-Clinton content, “the developed Left-wing Twitter personas were still largely anti-Clinton and expressed pro-Bernie Sanders and pro-Jill Stein sentiments.”

            Likewise, the report said “pro-Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein content” were among the group’s go-to themes across other platforms.

            The tactics and strategies that the Kremlin directed included every major social media platform you can think of — Facebook, Instagram, Twitter — and a few you’d never suspect, including Pinterest, LinkedIn and 4Chan. The hashtags alone tell the story— #MAGA #TrumpTrain #Hillary4Prison #ZombieHillary #SickHillary. Along with anti-Clinton stories, they also pushed out messages against Trump’s primary rivals like Sen. Ted Cruz and former Gov. Jeb Bush. Once in the general election, they pumped up third-party candidates to siphon support away from Clinton with posts including, “A vote for Jill Stein is not a wasted vote.”

            Not everything I don’t like is Russian. But some Russian things, I don’t like.