• Stern@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    If someone’s political stance is something like, “We should move to a VAT tax system like the U.K.”, I will be happy to entertain conversation with them. If their stance is something like, “We should ban trans people.” then they can fuck all the way off.

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    This is because politics isn’t identity, or at least it fuckin’ shouldn’t be. A person can change their political stances if they decide to. I’d go so far as to say that’s the point of judging people on the basis of their politics; the hope that it might get them to think about the consequences of their stances just a little bit.

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      That’s true. But when I encounter someone who ignores all rational arguments and instead continually clings to racist nonsense and the like, I can’t help but judge this person as a racist with whom I want nothing to do with. Politics thrives on discussion and the exchange of arguments. In my eyes, anyone who doesn’t want to see that has no right to be taken seriously.

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      You should be careful! I mean this sounds logical, but taken to the extreme, it would mean that you judge people who are racist and actively support genocide even though they are always nice to you (assuming you are white). Do you really want that?

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        1 month ago

        i think you might have dropped your “/s” homie.

        because of course i fucking judge them XD

        however nice they are to me does not absolve their cruelty toward others

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          i think you might have dropped your “/s” homie.

          Damn, I really thought I didn’t need it. It kind of ruins the joke and I thought I made it clear enough

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            Text doesn’t convey tone, and not everyone who reads what you write knows you personally. The /s doesn’t ruin the joke near as much as the person who thinks you are being serious does when they raise a shit-fit over it.

  • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.world
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    Once upon a time, there were liberals and conservatives whose most significant differences were things like how much of the national budget we should allocate to defence. We’ve become much more polarized, and now we have a party that openly supports racism, has literally staged a failed coup, has aligned with fascist dictators, and wants to strip the rights from many of our friends and family. Yeah, judging them is the right thing to do.

  • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
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    “You should only judge people for sensible things like race and gender… and being left of “Race War Now!” as that’s a little cringe, the Left wants to claim they’re so tolerant, but they judge for something as petty as political affiliation…” - Average Nazi

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    Margaret Killjoy was recently talking on one podcast about mutual aid during the recent hurricanes. She was talking about how her neighbors probably have starkly opposite views as she does as a trans anarchist, but she believed that in a situation like this where it could mean life or death, that they would be able to set differences aside and work together for their mutual benefit.

    She also went on to say that she didn’t hate them and wish them any harm, she just wished that they would stop holding on to hateful and hurtful beliefs.

    Most of my family and my girlfriend’s families support just about all of this MAGA crap, but I don’t know if I could call a single one of them a bad person. Some of them treat me differently in what I feel are very obvious ways, but I didn’t believe any of them would let me suffer on purpose. They all seem to not have problems sympathizing with people or situations they are personally familiar with, but with concepts that they are unfamiliar with, they can find them unimportant, and develop bad takes on those things.

    As my family is almost all conservative, I was raised that way, and until my later 20s, I had a lot of the same beliefs. As I met more people, learned more things, and developed opinions of my own, I am now mostly the opposite person I was. I can see how wrong I was about just about everything.

    I feel it’s ok to hate the beliefs, and dissociate with people while they hold those beliefs, and especially while they act on those beliefs, which includes giving power to those pushing those values on others. I don’t think we should turn our backs totally to them as people though, if that makes sense. If they were hurt, I would still help them. If they needed something, I would help them to get it. If they want me to meet them somewhere in the middle ideologically, most likely not. But it’s part of my humanity to not leave someone to suffer just because they’ve got some dumbass beliefs.

    You have every right to associate or not with whomever you wish. You can believe the opposite of people and think they are wrong for what they believe. But I think most people are inherently good. Some make it much harder to keep that belief, but I don’t think many are lost causes or irredeemable.

  • NickwithaC@lemmy.world
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    No one has ever said “oh so you’re just gonna judge someone for their political beliefs?” in real life, please get off the internet.