Trump told Benjamin Netanyahu in one call this month, “Do what you have to do,” according to six people familiar with the conversation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive and confidential information. Trump has said publicly that the two have spoken at least twice in October, with one call as recently as Oct. 19.
“He didn’t tell him what to do militarily, but he expressed that he was impressed by the pagers,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), who was on a call this month with Trump and Netanyahu, referring to the Israeli operation that killed Hezbollah leaders with explosive batteries inside pagers. “He expressed his awe for their military operations and what they have done.”
Graham added: “He told them, do what you have to do to defend yourself, but we’re openly talking about a new Mideast. Trump understands that very much there has to be change with the corrupt Palestinian state.”
Surely the tankies will take notice of fhis and… Ha, no. They still say Kamala supports genocide despite her being the only candidate pushing for peace.
Biden has made it clear that his support for Netanyahu is unconditional and his words about peace are empty. Harris has made it clear that her position regarding Gaza is identical to his.
Sigh, here they come!
Aww. People who don’t love genocide like you are all tankies.
A vote for Trump is a vote for genocide, guaranteed. You are insane if you support him over Harris and think that will do anything but makes things waaaaaaaaaay worse for not just Palestinians, but people in general. Telling people who opt for the lesser of two evils that they “love genocide” is full-on stupid.
You are insane if you support him over Harris
And once again, I have already voted for Harris. She should stop supporting genocide even though it will make you sad.
EDIT: centrists downvote voting for Harris because all they actually care about is supporting the genocide.
We are literally in a thread where it’s reported that Trump plans to let Israel do whatever the fuck they want, and you still want to pretend that Harris is somehow the worse choice.
I didn’t say she was the worse choice. I voted for her already.
She should still change her stance on Netanyahu’s genocide. So should the entire pro-genocide centrist wing of the Democratic Party.
Then I suppose we are in agreement.
Not sure why you are in here calling people genocide lovers for pointing that out though.
“Harris should change her stance regarding Netanyahu’s genocide” maps 1:1 with trump support, as far as a lot of lemmy is concerned.
People are so invested in their support for genocide that they can’t imagine anyone opposing it in good faith.
I think the use of the term “unconditional” is fairly reductive. While any US government may continue military support regardless of Israel’s behavior, some governments will be more effective than others in restraining Netanyahu or nesuring Gazan’s receive appropriate support.
I feel confident that neither Biden nor Harris are calling Netanyahu and saying “do what you have to do”.
I think the use of the term “unconditional” is fairly reductive.
We have imposed no conditions. Would you prefer “enthusiastic”? Because it’s that too.
Sure, but you have to acknowledge that of Harris and Trump, one of them would be more unconditional and enthusiastic than the other right?
Already have, plenty of times.
But that doesn’t mean I don’t get to gripe, and it doesn’t mean that griping about it makes me a trumper.
It just looks like centrists just want people to fake happiness about being manipulated into voting for centrists’ genocide.
Ok, that’s precisely why “unconditional” is reductive. It reduces a spectrum of possibilities to a binary “conditional” vs “unconditional” and produces a “both sides are the same” argument.
it doesn’t mean that griping about it makes me a trumper.
Except, it really does though? Complaining about Harris is precisely what the republicans, trumpers, and Netanyahu want you to be doing.
You might not like Trump, but you absolutely are (apparently unwittingly) carrying a lot of water for him.
You don’t give a shit who gets elected, as long as no one says anything bad about literal fucking genocide.
When the election is over, what will your new excuse be for why no one can be upset about genocide?
What you say makes sense if you don’t pay attention.
Cool. Where does she differ from Biden on the issue of Netanyahu’s genocide?
EDIT: Silly centrists, downvotes aren’t examples!
I didn’t realize the choice was Harris vs Biden.
Oh yeah, I didn’t know that because it isn’t true. The choice is Harris vs the guy that says Netanyahu should finish the job, criticized him purely for letting his genocidal actions make it to the media, thinks Biden is being too tough on him, and has been in constant contact as a private citizen deliberately undermining peace negotiations.
Harris losing means Bibi’s BFF wins. You’d have to be a pretty evil person with no sympathy for innocent Palestinians to want that to happen. Do you want that to happen?
My assertion was that Harris’ policy doesn’t differ from Biden’s.
Silly centrist, arguing against things I didn’t say because you can’t defend your support for genocide.
I voted for Harris. Keep arguing as though I haven’t just because I’m critical of the only policy centrists won’t abandon at the slightest pressure.
Don’t forget to vote third party to teach the Democrats a lesson about genocide….
Seriously the American Gaza protests are 100% about disenfranchising Democrats. They absolutely never go after Republicans. Ever. Ask them about this and they get suuuuper defensive and angry.
Of course not. These protests are about saying “we want to vote for you, but we need to see you do something about this”
Republicans being bloodthirsty fascists is a given, Democrats aren’t supposed to be. Kamala’s campaign should be the one messaging how awful Trump would be for Gaza, not random forum posters, but they don’t because she doesn’t have any functionally different policy on that than Trump.
I don’t get why this is hard to grasp.
If you voted uncommitted in the primaries - rock on brother, you were part of sending a strong message to the DNC.
If you plan on voting anyone but Harris in the general election - get fucked, you’re accelerating the genocide.
Well then you’re about to get what you want. You’ll teach her a lesson. Congratulations. Hope it’s fucking worth it.
Lmao they’re not going to learn anything. Their takeaway will be “we didn’t try hard enough to capture moderate Republicans” and shift further to the right.
Instead of getting mad at people for not voting for a candidate that doesn’t align with their interests, maybe you should be mad at the Democratic party for running a dogshit campaign. Even from a pragmatic point of view, its a lot easier to put pressure on the party than to yell at hundreds of thousands of people with varying reasons for not wanting to vote for her.
I’m deeply pissed off at democrats for a lot of shit… I’m still not willing to murder women or Palestinians to express it.
If Trump is elected, women will die easily preventable deaths and he has promised to accelerate the genocide.
I’m not even advocating against voting for Harris, just don’t blame the people that didn’t if she loses.
Oh good. At least you’re aware you’re killing Palestinians, taking away women’s bodily autonomy, persecuting immigrants, and pushing the Democrat party further right. I guess I appreciate your honesty.
Crazy how you can look at the Democratic administration taking zero action on any of those things and somehow make it my fault, but go off king.
You know what virtually every 3rd party advocate like you doesn’t say? Anything about how the 3rd party candidate would be good for Americans’ day to day life.
What will your 3rd party candidate (lets ignore the fact that not a sigle post advocates an actual candidate)do for me that directly impacts me and my family’s life? Will they fund social security? Are they advocates for ranked choice voting? Are they pro choice? Are they pro universal Healthcare? How about corporate reform? Dark money in politics? Net nutrality? Fucking crickets on all these topics from yall.
If you would get off the ONLY topic you all spew, maybe, just maybe, you could change some minds. The 3rd party push is so disingenuous, it’s just as bad as Republicans who only vote for Trump due to him helping overturn Roe v Wade.
I am not a 3rd party advocate. Jill Stein and her ilk are grifters.
If you are not a 3rd party advocate, are you one of the nonvoters? Potatoe potahtoe
Look, neither of the candidates are perfect across the board. One candidate is by far the better one for my family being mixed race, immigrant family members, mostly women, most work public service and some are on medicade and social security. One candidate is staunchly against all of that. The 3rd party candidates are ghosts on all of those topics.
One candidate is giving Israel carte blanch to do what they want and to “get the job done”. The candidate I’m voting for is not aligned with how I want that situation handled, but it is less bad than “do what you want”.
If I don’t vote or if I vote 3rd party, or I vote Trump, I can’t live with how my family and I will potentially be treated.
That leaves me one fucking choice that isn’t 100% what I want, but 80% is way better than the alternatives.
Both parties are the “get the job done” party. This administration has continued to give unconditional aid to Israel, and has not done anything remotely resembling a penalty to them for conducting a genocide. The only difference is the rhetoric.
I’m not saying don’t vote for Kamala, I hope she wins. My point is that all this anger should be directed at the party for alienating large swaths of the population that should be their base. I can empathize with someone who has family in Palestine or Lebanon that does not feel like they can in good conscience vote for the party that is supplying bombs being dropped on their loved ones.
This should be an easy win, Donald Trump is an incredibly unpopular candidate, and we should be outraged at the Democrats for making misstep after misstep in this campaign.
