“As the president of the United States, you have power to change the course of history, and the responsibility to save lives right now,” the staffers wrote.

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    Taking from my comment the other community where you posted this:

    Biden asked for one and reported Netanyahu said no.

    The headline sounds like he’s just dismissing his staffers

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      You mean the headline is intentionally misleading to the point of misinforming people?

      It’s straight up journalistic malpractice the way they phrased it

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          It doesn’t matter what the intent is here, the headline is misleading, which is poor journalist integrity. Both malice and ignorance can sink a ship.

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            Intent is irrelevant. Biden’s comment and the staffer’s letter correlate (A relationship or connection between two things based on co-occurrence or pattern of change). It is implied (To make evident indirectly) that Biden is disregarding the wishes of the staffers. If you can’t comprehend this, I can’t help you read gooderer.

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              It is implied

              Someone did the implying, and that’s bad practice. You are correct that intent is irrelevant, yet you take issue with the headline being accused of intentional misinformation.

              The thing about implications is that they exists regardless of your intent or your audience’s comprehension. It doesn’t matter if the headline is technically correct, if a significant portion of the audience leaves misinformed, that’s poor jounalism. The extent to which this happens here edges into malpractice, either from ignorance or malice.

              Since you take issue with the accusation, you either disagree with the claim of malice or the claim of misinformation; as you reject the former you must disagree that a headline that gives a drastically different interpretation of reality is misinformation. Am I wrong?

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                It’s called grammar. I didn’t make the rules.

                As as a conjunction

                The conjunction “as” has several different meanings. We us “as” when one event happens while another is in progress (‘during the time that’). In this case the verb after is often in the continuous form:

                “They arrived as we were leaving. (time conjunction meaning ‘while’ or ‘when’)

                So I don’t see it as malice or misinformation. I had no no trouble with the headline.

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                  An implication doesn’t need to be directly conveyed, especially in a situation so small as a headline. Implication is often used in headlines to convey more information that explicitly stating everything, and especially to save on word count.

                  For example: “TITANIC SINKS, 1500 DIE” Purely by literal meaning: A big boat sank, and somewhere at somepoint, many people died of something. Odd to include that people have died before, that’s just a fact of life, but the Titanic was carrying a lot of people, did they survive? Too bad the headline didn’t say, I guess they don’t know yet.

                  We could look even deeper and conclude that Biden rejected the possibility of a ceasefire specifically because the former staffers demands. I don’t think he’s that spiteful, so it would be an odd interpretation, but it would be fully grammatical correct. Sorry, I didn’t make the rules.

                  As, because and since are conjunctions. As, because and since all introduce subordinate clauses. They connect the result of something with its reason.

                  As you were out, I left a message.

                  She may need some help as she’s new.

                  So I don’t see how a single definition rules out others, as several exist.

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      “Ok then stop sending bombs and using reaper drones to help them perform mass killings”

      “No can do chief, Bibi told me I need to keep doing all that.”

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      Considering the power that the US has over Israel, he pretty much is just dismissing his staffers.

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      That makes me feel better, but I wish he would put some weight behind it.

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      Even if IDF stops shooting, what really makes people believe Hamas will stop? I want an end to the violence as much as anyone else but I really don’t see a cease fire doing anything but giving Hamas time to rearm and plan their next massacre.

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        And if IDF doesn’t stop shooting like they do now, will the continued escalation make less people flock to anti-israel organization like Hamas? Because all I can see happening is that, while Israel may take over some land, they are just strengthening the support of terrorists.

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    To be fair, i don’t think Israel is going to do a cease fire even if we yeet all the aid and support we promised them. Netty has been wanting this fight for… ages.

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      Not too sure on that, US has many ways to force cease fires as good as starting coups.

      I think if we had a president and congress that wanted it done, it would be done.

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        if we had a president and congress that wanted it done, Israel wouldn’t have felt comfortable doing it in the first place, really. I’m just saying at this point, I don’t think there’s a lot we can do. and as for starting a coup… that has never worked out well for the US.

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        Considering how well those coups worked out, I’d really like for that sad chapter of US history to stay history, as much as I despise Bibi’s reactionary government.

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          Well, IMO the coups did what was required, same in latin america.

          It stopped the political party that was going to rule and chaos would ensue.

          Due to party plans of interfering with US corporations and allies.

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            They did meet short term goals but the long term blowback is indicative that it’s not worth it from a cold strategic perspective even when not factoring in the ideological hypocrisy

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      Well, if we yeet all the aid we send them, at least we won’t be facilitating a genocide in as many ways.

      That’s a start and a step worth taking.

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        Keep in mind, part of the reason we’ve given all this aid to Israel, historically, is precisely for that leverage it gives us.

        People are rolling in their graves that we’re not using it.

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        Agreed.

        Just because a thing is hard doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done. I’m just a realist. They won’t stop until the hardliners on both sides are gone.

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      And even if he didn’t want the fight, a ceasefire now would destroy his coalition, being down the government , remove him from power, and probably end up with him personally in prison from the outstanding corruption allegations

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    This was reported for having a misleading headline, however the headline on the post is the exact same as the headline on the article.

    I agree, the headline makes it sound like Biden was addressing the “500+ former staffers” when he was not, that’s an issue to take up with commondreams.org.

    If OP had editorialized the headline in a misleading fashion, I’d remove it. In this case they are accurately passing along the headline from the article.

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      Consider the quality of sources allowed to be posted to the community. Some sites are bad, and it’s okay to filter them out in the interest of quality.

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      That doesn’t mean you can’t remove the post because the article headline is misleading, it’s just that the blame lies on the site rather than OP.

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        Our policy is that the headline must match that of the article, so any problem with the headline should be directed at the people writing it.

        Leaving the post drives the discussion of how and why the headline is misleading, which is in and of itself a valuable conversation.

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    In just over a month, Israeli bombing has killed nearly 11,000 people in Gaza and displaced more than 70% of the territory’s population.

    Jesus wept.

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      Surprised it’s not higher. Gaza’s government has spent $0 on defensive technologies. Zero radar installations, zero anti-aircraft weapons, zero SAM, zero bomb bunkers.

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        I mean every time they and repair anything… but I’m not supposed to talk about that, that’s antisemitism. /s 🤮

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          What everytime they repair something they can’t help but execute a little slave raid?

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      They want land. Land that is currently occupied by someone else.

      It’s how their “settlements” have been established and expanded for decades.

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    Imperialists thinking they can puppeteer another imperialist. Maybe they’re right who knows.

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    Damn looks like there is ‘No Possibility’ that I will be voting for that cuck ever again.

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      His opponent will end the war in 24 hours! But you probably won’t like how he ends it…

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        God help me, I watched part of the GOP debate the other night, when asked what they would tell Netanyahu, they were all super eager to gove some variation of, “finish the job” neglecting to clarify if they meant Hamas or Palestine. I’m surprised none of them slipped and suggested a final solution. Sorry, but if you don’t like Biden, you really aren’t gonna like these folks take on it.

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      He talked to Netanyahu, Netanyahu refused a cease-fire. What specifically do you think he should be doing?

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          Removing guns or nukes even doesn’t stop familicide, if you’re hell bent on war and displacement like Benny boy, then don’t expect God or his good things lol

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        About the genocide? The most you’re willing to demand from you government is that they ask their client state to stop doing genocide? Sanctions, pull all aid, condemnations, anything. They’re slaughtering civillians by the thousands.

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            We give them billions of dollars per year in cash and weapons. This blood is on our hands because American taxpayers are funding every bomb. Also “unilaterally” just wouldn’t be true. The overwhelming majority of the international community would also like the genocide to stop.

            I think you should deeply reflect on how evil your last sentence reads considering the circumstances.

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      Well have to see if the Annoying Orange rises up as candidate again.

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        State polls show he is tied or winning in some cases over biden.

        When certain two unnamed 3rd party people are included, numbers shift in an interesting way.

        For biden to win, polling needs to be couple points higher, not just tied.

        One year out, so… will be interesting to see how well polling works this time around.