US public support for Israel drops; majority backs a ceasefire, Reuters/Ipsos shows
www.reuters.com
U.S. public support for Israel's war against Hamas militants in Gaza is eroding and most Americans think Israel should call a ceasefire to a conflict that has ballooned into a humanitarian crisis, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll.
  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
    358·
    8 months ago

    I don’t see why calling for a ceasefire is such a non-starter. Everyone there can go back to work butchering each other more effectively if they are well rested.

    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
      5·
      8 months ago

      Hamas’ popularity with the people and their allies is really low right now. A victory (cease fire) corrects that for them

      And also your second part, it’s a lot easier for them to attack Israel if they aren’t expecting it

      Israel and Palestine don’t gain anything from a ceasefire unless negotiations take place

    • OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee
      73·
      8 months ago

      The entire country of Israel wants to build back their military reputation for deterrence. Opposing political parties got together to back their military response. Plus, almost everyone in Israel knows someone killed or captured by Hamas, that’s why it was 15 9/11s or whatever. There is no high minded worry about peaceful ideals when your kid was killed by Hamas.

      I’m against all the killing and especially of civilians, I think the US should and is pushing for a ceasefire, but I also see why it isn’t working. It’s not because the administration isn’t trying hard enough, it’s because nothing will stop the fighting until Israel achieves at least some of its goal for destroying Hamas and building back the deterrence.

      • interceder270@lemmy.world
        14·
        8 months ago

        It’s not because the administration isn’t trying hard enough, it’s because nothing will stop the fighting until Israel achieves at least some of its goal for destroying Hamas and building back the deterrence.

        Errr… exactly what has the administration done? What consequences have there been for Israel, threatened or realized?

        • OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee
          3·
          8 months ago

          They got the 4hr pauses. The president went there. The Secretary of State went there. The land assault was pushed off for days in the beginning. They moved two carrier groups into the region to deter Hezbollah and Iran, and Iran has officially said they will not get involved.

          They don’t negotiate in public so obviously there is no example of threats, but there is evidence of an attempt at moderating the Israeli response, and in the past Biden’s strategy has been to hug Israel in public to get as much as possible in private, something like agreeing to refuse to call for a ceasefire in public, as long as Israel does do the 4hr pauses. That very much reads to me as what the Admin achieved.

          And since a ceasefire isn’t on the table regardless of consequences right now due to Israeli domestic politics, a short 4hr daily ceasefire-in-all-but-name is a pretty big get.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
        510·
        8 months ago

        It’s also because the administration isn’t trying hard enough. Reagan stopped the bombing of West Beirut with a phone call. Biden should at least be able to get Israel to follow the rules of war if he threatens them with cutting aid. Also these are 1200 people in a population of 10 million. I find it very hard to believe that most people know someone who was killed or captured.

    • deleted@lemmy.world
      31·
      8 months ago

      Every side have their own agenda. Every now and then stars align.

      If you go back 3-4 decades, you’ll notice a pattern.

    • gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de
      44·
      8 months ago

      I think it is because if the Israelis kill a lot of people in Gaza right now, they can later say it is because they were hot-headed and not planning things properly (which they should do anyways, so it doesn’t really matter). If they stop now, and go back to attacking again later, they can’t say that anymore.

    • interceder270@lemmy.world
      24·
      8 months ago

      Because why would Israel stop their genocide if they don’t have to?

      Conducting airstrikes isn’t nearly as exhausting as getting hit by them.

  • spider@lemmy.nz
    91·
    8 months ago

    Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else.

    – Winston Churchill

    Not sure about the always part.

  • blahsay@lemmy.world
    416·
    8 months ago

    I mean…if they release the hostages I’m sure they’d ceasefire. But releasing them all from weeks of rape and torture isn’t on the table for Hamas so the Israelis will keep going till they’re recovered or dead probably.