• Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    Just a reminder.

    In 1960, minimum wage was $1.00/hour and the average home was $11,000.

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        Quick history of inflation in America. President Eisenhower started the US/Vietnam War, and JFK kept it going. Ike and Kennedy both wanted to keep it small, but LBJ made a major commitment of troops and air power to deliver a knockout punch. That turned into a quagmire where the US couldn’t pull out without looking like losers. President Johnson [LBJ] started printing money to pay for the War, rather than raise taxes. Nixon was elected as a peace candidate. Nixon’s Vietnam policy alone is worth several books, but we’ll just talk about the US dollar.

        Nixon doubled down on Johnson’s bombing policy; the US factories were working 24/7 to make more weapons. Great, except the money was all paper. When the Arab Oil boycott hit the price of everything went through the roof. Suddenly stay at home moms were forced to get jobs to keep the family fed. In 1968 ‘middle class’ was one job to support a family, by 1980, two income families were becoming the norm.

        Then came Reagan. Big tax cuts for the rich were supposed to make everything golden again. In 1980, $1 million was considered a vast fortune; by 1992 it was what a really rich guy paid for a party.

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          None of the timeline matches up with increases in inflation.

          https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/military_spending_since_1940_fy_2024_large.png

          https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Fig-1.jpg

          Direct spending on Vietnam starts to ramp up in the mid-60s and draws down in the mid-70s. Inflation, however, goes through a major shock in the early 70s and another one in the early 80s. None of this seems to match any kind of cause and effect we would expect. Further, the real cost of Vietnam was born decades later, as those veterans draw on benefits such as the VA hospital system.

          And then we have another big increase in military spending during the Reagan years, but no particular increase in inflation is seen.

          Oil costs are the main reason for these shocks. “Printing money” is a naive libertarian approach to inflation which largely serves people who use money to make money (i.e., billionaires) as opposed to people who use their labor to make money. I was just lamenting earlier today how leftists around here have started to absorb libertarian narratives on inflation, and it’s not a good thing.

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          Que the Iraq war part deux. Immediately followed by the Afghan invasion.

          Paid for on credit card. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

          Don’t forget the giant expansion of the government under Bush² either, the TSA, DHS, Medicare expansion

          The aughties fucked over the entire upcoming century. Obama swaging the wall street plutocrats after 2008 with, not just the bail outs, but with relaxing corporate control of rental property is looking really, REALLY short sighted about now

          Trump repealing Obama’s DoddFrankLite is gonna come back and haunt us too, when wall street implodes in the inevitable 2008 repeat, because if you can trust a banker to do anything, it’s to suck as much blood out as possible and let the public pay for life support. It’s gonna happen again. Guaranteed.

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          Suddenly stay at home moms were forced to get jobs to keep the family fed. In 1968 ‘middle class’ was one job to support a family, by 1980, two income families were becoming the norm.

          This was not because of inflation, but because women were beginning to be seen as fully human

          Frankly between this and “but the money was paper” just makes you sound like some kind of neotraditionalist goldbug.

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            ‘Were forced to work’

            VS

            ‘Were permitted to work’

            I’m not sure what went wrong with your brain to not be able to distinguish between these two. You’re responding to someone who said the first version. You clapped back with serious attitude about the second version.

            They’re not the same though.

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              Yes I am aware that this person used slanted and incorrect language. That’s sort of my entire point.

              You’ll forgive me for not taking someone, who wants the gold standard and traditionalist housewives back, very seriously.

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                You funny. I never mentioned the gold standard or ‘traditional’ roles. If you’re going to put words in my mouth, I’d like them with an order of nachos and a fruit punch.

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        8 months ago

        You can still buy one for that, as long as you don’t mind living in Flint and like the taste of lead.

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          I got one in a niceish area for that. All you have to do is buy a small foreclosure and then spend literal years renovating while you live somewhere else and run up a bunch of high interest credit card debt paying for those renovations. 🥲

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            Man you just dashed my only last real dream of home ownership with your reality. I was like yeah I’ll just find a fixer upper and make it work. I know better now. Thanks for the heads up.

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        ‘Abysmal?’ Because they didn’t have computers and air conditioning? Are you saying that improvements in technology are dependent on inflation?

        If you think that they were terrible because they were smaller than the average house today, I suggest you look at the tiny houses and multiple room mate situations people are looking at today. In 1960, If you had three house mates you were probably in prison.