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    Can we boycot the companies that do this already. I get the AC IP is nice, I’ve certainly enjoyed my fair share of their games.

    But the ad industry is completely getting derailed. What’s next ? Watch a 15s promo video every time you want to open te fridge? Watch a promo video before you can open the door?

    Have your walls randomly show you ads?

    Stop buying their shit. Regardless of how decent the game is. Punish them for the predatory practices. Demand refunds.

    But no. People will likely be outraged, and then next game angry and then the next game they’ll suck it all up and complain about the good all days.

    #remindmein5years

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      I always thought the cyberpunk genre was a warning, not a blueprint.

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        Yeah, unfortunately, it is hard for me to hurt their bottom line because I checked out of the series after Origins.

        That said, I’ve never sought a refund on a digital copy of a game, but I wouldn’t hesitate if I paid full price for a game only to find out there were in game ads

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      I’m pretty certain that I read a comment like this back in 2010 to 2012 on Reddit. Hell it may have been on Slashdot or Digg back in 2008.

      As you’ve said, the only way to stop this is for everyone to stop feeding the beast. The problem is that F2P works now in 2023 as a business model, and clearly worked back in 2010 as DDO, and SW:TOR are still chugging along.

      I don’t think it is feasible to end these predatory practices unless one can manage to get every single government in the world to outlaw them. Good luck on that.

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      Haven’t bought an AC since the American revolution one, last thing I bought from them was watchdogs for $5 and it was dogshit so reinforced my no Ubishit rule

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      I’ve been boycotting ubisoft, EA, blizzard, and the like for years. 🤷‍♂️

      (I mean, technically I’ve been avoiding denuvo malware, microtransactions, always online DRM bullshit, and the like, plus bad and / or uninteresting games… but that’s effectively equivalent to boycotting those assholes.)

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    I have a hard unbreakable rule:

    Free, you can serve me ads, I’ll try to avoid them but ok. But the minute I pay for something and you try to give me ads on top, we’re gonna have a problem.

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    “Most agreed that promos about new games and other content are slightly more tolerable on the main menu before the game starts,”

    If I see as much as a small banner ad in a game, I’m immediately refunding, and never purchasing a game from that publisher ever again.

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      I don’t mind a little ad in the menu, about stuff directly related to game I’m playing. Those little “Hey we released a new content dlc to this exact game” infos can actually be informative. What I really can’t stand is stuff breaking the immersion of the game. I’m not even mad about product placements, when they fit the theme and are sparsely used.

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        Yeah, product placements like for sports games are fine… I expect to see ads in a park, arena, or stadium.

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          it even adds to the authenticity in those games, perfect example of it done right. the problem is advertisers thinking their template applies to every medium without exception

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            But also the deciders in the dev studios, that take the money even if it doesn’t fit or don’t integrate it properly.

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      Baldur’s Gate 3 was probably the best game of this year (?), but it has an advert for the DLC as soon as you launch it

      However, it’s also probably one of the least-bad “triple A” games of this year when it comes to overall monetisation, that singular DLC of cosmetics and the soundtrack being the only one available

      Unfortunately, I think this one is a losing battle

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        Sony didn’t have both versions readily available in the Playstation Store. While I did eventually purchase the DLC (which is the deluxe version, not a typical DLC), I’ll be damned that Sony didn’t make it easy to find the OG version in the store.

        And I put that on Sony, not the game publisher. Regardless, BG3 has been a breath of fresh air to gaming this year. About time a studio put out a full game without divvying it up into expansions and DLCs.

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          I agree that BG3 is a great diversion from the usual. My point is kind of that if you’re a purist about this, you’re missing out on it, even though on the whole it bucks the trend.

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        I was looking forward to buying that game after upgrading my PC. This makes me sad. Divinity never had any ads. Maybe the pirated version gets rid of the ad.

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          I mean I guess Divinity never had ads unless you consider the launcher an advert for their other titles, given that that’s basically what it’s there to do?

          If you don’t consider anything in launchers to be adverts then I guess you can play BG3, because that’s where the advert for the DLC lives?

          I really feel like if Larian had only given you the soundtrack and not the cosmetics, and just not called it DLC, that people really wouldn’t be so up in arms about it.

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        Baldur’s Gate 3 has no dlc at all. It has no dlc even announced, let alone available for purchase. Stop making shit up lol. Their launcher has info about the different games they’ve made and their prices, but when you actually launch the game it has NO ad of any sort. You could only barely call the info in their launcher an ad in the first place.

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          kind of awkward that this both:

          it’s absolutely coconuts that you’re currently attempting to die on the hill of a giant “buy now” button not being an advert

          also, you do realise that the launcher is an advert? that’s its whole reason to exist. your take is essentially “you’re dumb because after you’ve clicked through the adverts, there aren’t any adverts”

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    Always testing the line… This wasn’t a mistake. They know you’ll be upset, they are testing HOW upset and then they’ll make their decision.

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      If you’re “upset” but buy another Ubisoft game anyway, then you weren’t that upset --> Ubisoft will keep doing it.

      (you as in generic you)

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      Ubisoft, epic, ea, Blizzard/Activision…

      I wont say Bethesda because I’m hoping for another Doom or Quake.

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        _EA is the fucking devil. They bought my favorite game, Ultima Online, and ruined it. _

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          That’s tragic and I feel your pain.

          I’m glad that game had such a community surge of custom shards to keep it going, but it sure fractured the community. :(

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          get in line. ubisoft is the same by the way. they own the rights to my favorite IPs: prince of persia and flashback and all they’re doing is releasing shovelware.

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        The way that Bethesda has handled Doom has been nothing short of excellent. Hopefully they continue to support Id however they need it to keep on making great games.

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            I didn’t know about that whole fiasco. At least the end product was good. I feel bad for Mick Gordon though. I’m even more impressed that he did so well despite having to deal with that nonsense.

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          Well Doom 2016 at least. Doom Eternal fucked over Mick Gordon and DLCfyied the game. The cracks are forming.

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        What’s the problem with Epic Games, besides No Tux no Bux and anti cheat rootkits?

        I mean those suck, but it has to be more than that right?

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      I would a very happy person if most things in this World that reliably make one feel as “I’m doing the right thing” and frequently make one “Give oneself a pat on the back” required so little expense, time and effort as “never buy anything from Ubisoft”.

      It’s like winning the “well done dude” lotery once every couple of months without spending a cent.

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      Ah, my hardline stance of “don’t buy profitable products you can get for free” is still working out for me.

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        The World worked that way, but people accepted the new ad contained products they paid for.

        People even think it is fine to buy a product you don’t own

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          And people are making excuses for the forever inflating greed…

          I mean, how do you accept inflating prices and costs while your salary has been stagnant for decades?
          It just doesn’t make sense how costs, on individuals, are growing and growing.

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        It does work like that. You vote with your dollars. If you buy these companies’ products, you confirm they made the right decision.

        If enough people abandon their products, they change the model or die.

        What you say you like and what your dollars say you like are 2 different things. The sooner people realize this the faster things will improve. But, if people are unwilling to avoid buying products from bad companies, things will get worse. Welcome to capitalism.

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          Unfortunately you’re not quite right with this one. As an individual, me choosing not to buy a new Samsung TV which has ads on the menu isn’t going to directly effect the sales and/or profit of the model to any measurable significant margin. Especially if I was going to buy LG anyway.

          If the entire population was able to communicate as one hive mind and apply your utopian strategy it would work, but unfortunately its exceptionally difficult to convince that amount of people.

          This is the exact same concept and difficulty behind battling climate change (not buying and doing things which hurt the environment)

          Yes I agree capitalism is … Well… Capitalism 🤣

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          I like to compare that argument to climate change. If everyone voted with their wallet to not buy/do things which are bad for the environment we would stop climate change over night.

          Now think about how impossible that is and then remember, that collective effort is just as difficult as stopping people buying things which contain ads

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      I pay for my phone and my phone and my internet access. What gives?

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        This, but unironically.

        If I had the means to pirate my internet connection, I’d do it in a heart beat.

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          Oh absolutely. I used to get free data on a blackberry I had, and it was great. Free YouTube all day!

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    And they will get away with it because nobody does what will really hurt Ubisoft, which is NOT buy the games. No. They will simply come on reddit or here and complain, and then throw their hands up and accept it when that fails to produce any results.

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        I am a little slow - what exactly I am looking at here¿? Many of them seem to be playing modern warfare 2

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        I always found this to be a bad example. 15 people out of the 51 on that page are playing the game they’re in a boycott group for. That’s a clear minority, even if that had been representative of all 1557 members.

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    That’s why those who “jUsT pAy PReMiUm” are at fault. These companies are just pushing the line to see what sticks, and you’re perpetuating it by paying

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      Yeah, it’s like all the useful idiots doing mental gymnastics to justify paying for youtube premium forget how subscription services like netflix and amazon routinely get worse over time.

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      Who says that? It’s not down to the people, you can’t control every individual. If you could climate change would stop overnight.

      It’s corporate greed, ads will forever be interpolated into games and movies for the foreseeable future until it’s specifically outlawed to do so.

      I’m sure given the opportunity as CEO the overwhelming majority of people on Lemmy would do the same for a bigger pay packet

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        I think it’s both. Corporate greed and people helping keep this up

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    I don’t mind in-game ads printed on in-map billboards and stuff, but ads that interrupt gameplay? Fuck that. Especially if you’ve paid for the content.

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      I don’t mind in-game ads printed on in-map billboards and stuff

      Not ten years ago people were complaining about this very thing.

      It’s fascinating to watch the boiling frog in basically real time. Give it another 10 years and ads that interrupt gameplay will be seen as normal too.

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        10 years later…

        I don’t mind ads that interrupt gameplay, but i hate when they require you to smile at your webcam and say “i love corporation!” and give two thumbs up. Other than that, the gameplay is monotinous enough to help me forget who i am and that the world is burning.

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        I dont mind it when it makes sense… Like ad boards in fifa games make sense…

        But if it breaka immersion, then it’s stupid

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        The coin-op Pole Position in 1982 had a number of regional ads on billboards along the track, including Pepsi and Marlboro, which was the first instance of product placement in a video game.

        In 2007 a number of games featured sponsored product placement. Rainbow Six: Vegas had billboards with Comcast adverts, and a Comcast company kiosk in a convention center. Far Cry 2 (humorously) had Jeep vehicles, including a couple of civilian SUVs that were significantly more cushy than the rest of the vehicles in the game. The implication being the choice of PMCs and African warlords was not the flex Jeep hoped for.

        In the 2010s, companies started renting billboards on their game levels for advertising that would be regularly updated, including a couple of Ubisoft’s MMO-lite titles. I think The Division 2 was one of them in which, again it was product placement. The annoyance was more that these were always-online games in which users had to be connected to the server even when they were playing single player, and the downloaded adverts only contributed to the awareness this wasn’t for the advantage of the players involved.

        These days, there are some pretty serious reasons not to play Ubisoft games, from their overuse and misuse of microtransactions, and piecemeal marketing, to the extremely toxic work environment that continues to be a norm in Ubisoft offices, including the sexual harassment and coercion of attractive clerks and developers by the executive staff, for which there there wasn’t adequate disclosure or contrition by Ubisoft public relations.

        I gave up Ubisoft games after 2020, and don’t even play the Ubisoft games I own (which might at some point cost me access to them, since I do not routinely sign onto Uplay or whatever it’s called now.

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        I remember seeing ads for real products in Need for Speed: Carbon (2006) and Cities XL (2009). I never really had a problem with diegetic ads that made sense (like on billboards). Interrupting gameplay to serve ads is going over the line.

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        To be fair trackmania where ubisoft implemented that is free2play. And you can deactivate it when you bought their subscription, the only issue is that it’s not sutomaticly deactivated once you buy ir

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        Am kind of torn on this. To some games, this adds level of realism. Racing games having brand names on billboards makes it feel more real. Folks at RockStar did awesome job with faking ads on radio, billboards, etc. But not every company has the resources to reinvent the whole world. Then again, seeing ads in some other type of game. No thanks.

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      Have you ever considered how much you lower your standards so people richer than you can be even richer at your expense?

      Might want to stop doing that.

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        This is what I thought when micro transactions in paid games started around 10 years ago. I was wrong.

        Ubi will pull the classic pretwnt it was an accident, then in two years slowly roll it out. People will kick and scream, but still buy their shit. Then it’ll become normalized and slowly get worse. Next gen of kids growing up used to this won’t know what the big deal is when we complain.

        Same cycle over and over with all kinds of stuff over the past 20 years.

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          Fair AAA will always have a core demo who don’t care as long as their addiction is fed, but I think the fuss we raise should at least keep it out of the majority of games, and make people implementing it feel kind of scummy, so that’s something.

          Like MTX are relegated to a very specific “type” of game which is instantly identifiable, and not that well regarded compared to more, uh, pure (?) games.

          Summed up: ads and dark patterns will always work on a certain segment of the population, but they don’t necessarily get to be seen as normal or cool.

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    I stopped buying Ubisoft games years ago. It was around that that time where they forced always-online mode on their single player games.

    I stopped playing their games (literally) because I was sure from that point on the user experience is only going to get worse. I thing I was right in that decision.

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      Oo I think you got out before the custom launcher with it’s own BS currency that constantly “lost” your “cd keys” so you couldn’t even play singleplayer games you bought on steam huh? Good move. Well played.

      It’s been so long I wouldn’t be surprised to find that they just cancelled my account but all my “keys” were used already and my games just won’t work anymore lol .

      Meanwhile Black Flag occasionally downloads an update and I’m like “Yeah maybe one day…” Lol

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      Assassin’s creed and Siege ruined ubisoft.

      They just stopped trying because they learned they can just milk loyal fans for all eternity.

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      I stopped when I saw Valhalla didn’t have achievements on Steam. To me that represents either extreme pettiness or extreme laziness on their parts and I won’t support either.

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    The first time I saw Ubisoft doing this was actually kinda neat because it was done well.

    It was Rainbow Six Vegas/Vegas 2 and the billboards and posters scattered around were real ads. I thought it was a clever way to improve immersion.

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      Funny, cause nothing breaks immersion faster for me than product placement.

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        The way they did it was actually, dare I say, tasteful. Basically the only time you’d see ads is when realistically it’d be likely for a poster or bill board to be present.

        I remember one map was set at an exports event and they had esports sponsors everywhere.

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          The way they did it was actually, dare I say, tasteful. Basically the only time you’d see ads is when realistically it’d be likely for a poster or bill board to be present.

          Placement isn’t the issue though.

          If you recognize it as a legit/real advertisement, that breaks the immersion.

          Your mind thinks “Why am I paying money to watch commercials?”, and that breaks the immersion of whatever virtual world you’re in at the time.

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            If the game is set in the “real world”, an advertisement for a fake brand of a real product is, to me at least, more immersion breaking than it being a real brand for that product. Now if the game isn’t set in our world it’s a completely different story.

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              The thing though is that the real advertisement will remind you that you paid money to watch a commercial, and that’s where the immersion breaking happens.

              With a fake ad you know you didn’t pay real money to some other real human being somewhere else, and that your purchase went just for the recreational value of the game you’re playing.

              In other words, it’s not the content of the ad, but the realization that it’s a real ad, regardless of it’s content, that’s immersion-breaking.

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        When you swing downtown to time square in spiderman, does your brain really care if it’s a real product on all those signs?

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      Clever or not, you’re not paying to watch advertisements, you’re paying to play a game as a recreational activity.

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      I did think it was clever, but I distinctly remember for R6V1, every single billboard, truck side, and bus stop poster, was Shia LaBeouf staring at you with binoculars for the movie “Disturbia” lol.

      I guess in the R6 universe that was going to be the biggest film release of the century hahaha. Maybe they just didn’t get a ton of takers?

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      I want to note since people are not happy with this example and still talking about the good old days, this method is pretty old-school In X-Men Mutant Academy is a pretty hard example but that’s why I remember it and I want to provide some sort of proof

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    That’s enough for me to never buy any of their games ever again.

    Remember when they said that if we pay for the product, we dont get ads? :)

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      I also remember when they artificially deliberately reduced XP gained after certain time in game so you either had to grind harder or buy booster packs. And they said it was adding value to the game because you get more playtime.

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      Sometimes you don’t even get the product if you pay for the product. AC: Odyssey will be in my Steam library forever unplayable because I had to delete my Ubisoft account for being hacked into and their support team absolutely refused to let me associate the game I purchased and thought I owned to a new Ubisoft account.

      Fuck those guys. I will never pay money for their games ever again.

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    Gaming has been following the shitty trends of video streaming companies for a while now. I bought RDR2 on the Steam sale to finally play through and immediately refunded it when I saw they force you to sign in with a Rockstar account. I don’t want any offline games where I have to sign in.

    I remember putting a cartridge into a console and powering on to an immediate start screen. There shouldn’t be EULA or T&C prompts or inescapable splash screens on timers for any of these games. There shouldn’t be standalone studio launcher applications that take up nearly a GiB of hard drive. Nobody wants them, nobody is impressed by them, and it takes away from the fun. It seems I’m done with all Blizzard, Origin, and Rockstar games for good now, where in the past I would’ve gladly shelled out $$$ for deluxe and ultimate editions like a chump.

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        Pirating games isn’t nearly as attractive as other media. Big studio Games are usually released in a broken state and pirate sources rarely keep titles updated.

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          Mostly a paradox issue, and they already admitted it’s intentional:

          “What we want to do is provide people who bought the game legally a better service. With frequent updates; good and convenient services; that’s how we fight piracy,” he said. “I hope it works. I keep my fingers crossed.”

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          This happens mostly with less popular games. Stuff like GTA, Call of Duty, RDR, Starfield, etc, stays up to date in pirate sites.

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      The forced rockstar account is 100% of the reason I refunded GTAV without ever playing it, and it’s the reason I wont ever get RDR2.

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          What sucks about the game? Having to use the Rockstar launcher is a pain but imo the game is brilliant.

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            The whole game is a confusing mess.

            Fundamentally, the game acts like it’s a huge open world game where you live a cowboy, but in reality the whole thing funnels you into a boring and annoying story.

            Hours of tutorials on all the things you can do in the game, but while you’re playing you can’t be bothered to sit through the same skinning, cooking, hunting, tracking crap over and over when baked beans do the job better.

            This pretty much sums the whole game up, you have so much money from the first storyline bank job, you never need to do a single side quest and all the features are repetitive busy work so they’re not worth doing on their own merit.

            The morality system is pointless when the character’s arc is completely set by the story other than the last 1 decision which makes any difference at all.

            Nothing in the game is difficult, so just using the same tactics of revolver or rifle solves literally everything. Or the pre mentioned baked beans if you actually need a heal at any point.

            The whole thing feels like too many ideas that don’t work together.