Absolutely none of society’s problems can be solved through power and wealth concentration.
In the metaphor of an economic system being a living thing, money is blood. Blood circulates, and keeps the organism alive. Blood pooling in one spot and not circulating well can be fatal.
this. I repeat it often and get chanllenged because im not an economist but I don’t care. Its obvious in the way it works. Money only has value when exchanged. A dollar sitting has just the value of the paper like material its made of, but a dollar when used to purchase it has its economic value. Its like potential and kinetic energy.
Pretty much. Put the following hypothetical scenario to your detractors. Let’s suppose for the sake of arguement that the way that wealth is concentrated now/status quo is justified and required:
If a bunch of AIs can mimic the wealth concentration behaviors of the top one percent, could you fire the one percent? The AIs would keep the wealth, as no actual human would be required to be the hoarder. The top one percent can then have their economic outlook capped like the rest of us, while the AIs keep the wealth as per usual.
Would there be anything fundamentally wrong with that arrangement, given that the wealth concentration is a requirement?
interesting but the detractors are really just doing the bs you can’t say anything because your not a recognized expert. As if economics were physics and even then einstein was not a physicist till he was (I am in no way suggesting im einstein or einstein like. Just point out he had things right (albeit not completely worked out) before he was a recognized expert).
To quote a modern philosopher: “Economists, log off” -Thought Slime
I think the shortness of human lives fosters short term thinking. If people lived long enough to deal with the long term consequences of their actions I think the world would be a very different place.
When hasn’t this been the case?
We should unrich them
The non-owning classes need a different tool for tracking debts than the fiat currency we’re used to.
If there is a way to cooperatively track value created by working within your neighborhood, say fixing a neighbors deck, delivering food, etc, outside of macroeconomic trade, we could figure out how to live without the hoarding pigs.
The difficult part is accountability. Commodities and fiat currencies are what they are, but trying to implement some other fungible measure of value created before the representation of that value already exists is what has me scratching my head. If there are 100 people capable of doing work within their community but only $10 to go around them, it doesn’t make sense to exchange work for money that doesn’t exist. But if those 100 people can agree to compensate one another by exchanging work without using the currency, they would all be unblocked and industrious.
There were lots of economies that worked this way. One recent example was the Irish Bankers Strike. Most of the banks in Ireland closed because they wanted concessions. The banks gave up on their strike because the overall economy wasn’t affected much because people just paid with what cash they had, and if they needed credit they’d go visit their local pub where the owner would vouch for them.
There’s more examples in David Graeber’s book “Debt: The First 5,000 Years.” Early economies didn’t have money, but they still made it work.
you’re better off ditching the strict accounting and foraging durable social relations instead. I recomend reading Bolo’Bolo
So Trump’s declaration of wanting the stock market to crash is a coded phrase to make the rich lose? Trump wants to suck the rich dry!
M->C->M
When the stock market crashes, those with the lion’s share of money in the system will take their money out and convert it into other capital. Maintaining their competitive edge over markets that are actively growing value.
Meanwhile C->M->C
Those who have stocks in order to afford bills when they retire will take the brunt of the blow, since they can’t freely remove their capital from the stock market due to legal restrictions on how their money can flow through the system. The ones who will lose the most are those who are currently retired and have no choice but to eat the losses without any recompense.
When the stock market crashes, those with the lion’s share of money in the system will take their money out and convert it into other capital.
They sell low? I don’t think so.
Hasn’t that always been the case? People with the most wealth always own the most assets.
Aside from when they sell at the top before economic downturns anyhow
By record share they mean that there has not been a time prior to now in which they’ve owned a percentage as high as they currently do.
The graph in the article makes that pretty easy to understand.
I really wish it went back to 1900 though.
Yeah agreed I would like to see back to the robber baron era and particularly around the run up to the crash in 29 and the aftermath of that. It seems like every time there’s a big crash you see a huge movement of capital siphoned up into the upper % in the aftermath.
yeah I feel like roaring twenties are the closest thing to recent times.
Yeah I see a lot of parallels for sure, which is concerning because the 30s and 40s were pretty fucked up.
its been going for awhile though and I sometimes wonder if we have these systems that are really good at keep the house of cards from falling but never really fix anything.
