• Dojan@lemmy.world
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    LMAO AS FUCKING IF. Rich people aren’t capable of feeling any sort of empathy-adjacent emotions. If you’re rich and think you can feel empathy there are two possible scenarios at play;
    a) You’re wrong about being rich
    b) You’re wrong about feeling empathy

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      How rich? How should the empathy be shown? Is it a sliding scale where the lines meet in the middle somewhere?

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        If you own a Bentley, you’re either very rich, or just spent all your money on a Bentley

        Edit: I’ve been told some people needed clarification that I’m not talking about Bentleys worth their weight in scrap metal.

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          Wrong.

          You can buy Bentley’s for a couple of thousand and if you’re a car guy can maintain them pretty ok. I’ve got a friend with one and I can assure you he’s not in the slightest bit considered “rich”

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            I would assume a Bentley for a couple thousand is not a new Bentley from the company and would not count towards VWs sales.

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              What’s that got to do with the brash statement that I was replying to?

              If you own a Bentley, you’re either very rich, or just spent all your money on a Bentley

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                Because they knew I was talking about new Bentleys, not 20 year old ones that are worth no more than their metal scraps worth.

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                  It’s a variable scale of age, how does anyone agree on the exact year it goes from being “new Bentley” to “metal scraps”?

                  2, 5, 10 years? You’re better off clarifying new Bentleys in the original comment

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        Good question. I haven’t got an answer for that. We could start off by pruning off the top; anyone with a net worth above a billion can’t possibly have earned that kind of money. 900 million is just as unlikely.

        A modicum of luck obviously plays a part as well; Facebook for example started off as a fairly innocuous website for ranking the attractiveness of university students; poor in taste and judgement but hardly evil. That’s not exactly where we are today, is it? Have you read about how facebook treats its content moderation team? Ol’ Zucky is responsible for that and so much more.

        There’s only so much you can earn through hard work and good luck before you’ll start having to make unethical and evil choices to keep raking in the cash. Rich people don’t need or deserve any empathy, because they won’t have any for you.

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        If you can accurately state how much you’re worth … chances are you’re not that rich

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          Hey, you’re right! I’m worth -$248,657.36 (yes, that’s a negative sign). Am not rich at all.

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        Lol you think people on the internet work with relative variables scales.it’s always extremist far reaching opposites and it’s always a binary choice from each end of the scale.

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      That’s some dehumanizing rhetoric you got going there bro. Poor are just as unempathetic, middle class the same. It’s not a money problem it’s a human problem.

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        Actually the poor tend to give a higher portion if their total wealth to charity than the rich.

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          Charity = | = to empathy. I live in an area where I can go 15 min either direction and meet up with poorer families. The hatred they spew for certain groups of people is mind boggling

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            Amazing how it’s all so easily wrapped up and explained away (lol, only in your own mind) when you simply completely ignore the circumstances and systems that create a situation like you describe…

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            You have to remember, in leftist culture it’s socially acceptable to be prejudiced and rude about rich people. I see this daily in online threads, people need something/someone to ralley against.

            One example of this is you can’t be racist about Germans, french or Americans but god forbid you say similar things about an African nation.

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              I see this often, but still don’t understand how a national identity = race, could you please explain what I’m missing?

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                You’re not missing anything it’s just pedantry regarding the wording of xenophobia/racism. They were used incorrectly but I think you knew exactly what I meant.

                For example in western culture mocking a German accent will raise less eyebrows than mocking a Zimbabwe accent for example. Whether this is because of wealth or another reason is up for discussion though.

                That act is not racist or xenophobic but will probably be described as a noun which isn’t coming to me now. But that’s not necessarily important to the point I’m making

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        Mill very well expresses the essence of the matter in the form of a concept by characterising money as the medium of exchange. The essence of money is not, in the first place, that property is alienated in it, but that the mediating activity or movement, the human, social act by which man’s products mutually complement one another, is estranged from man and becomes the attribute of money, a material thing outside man. Since man alienates this mediating activity itself, he is active here only as a man who has lost himself and is dehumanised; the relation itself between things, man’s operation with them, becomes the operation of an entity outside man and above man. Owing to this alien mediator – instead of man himself being the mediator for man – man regards his will, his activity and his relation to other men as a power independent of him and them. His slavery, therefore, reaches its peak. It is clear that this mediator now becomes a real God, for the mediator is the real power over what it mediates to me. Its cult becomes an end in itself. Objects separated from this mediator have lost their value. Hence the objects only have value insofar as they represent the mediator, whereas originally it seemed that the mediator had value only insofar as it represented them. This reversal of the original relationship is inevitable. This mediator is therefore the lost, estranged essence of private property, private property which has become alienated, external to itself, just as it is the alienated species-activity of man, the externalised mediation between man’s production and man’s production. All the qualities which arise in the course of this activity are, therefore, transferred to this mediator. Hence man becomes the poorer as man, i.e., separated from this mediator, the richer this mediator becomes.

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        This is only tangibly related to your comment, but even before you get the unemphatic part, the regressive taxes alone set rich people apart from poor people. If you make enough money have to pay taxes at the lowest bracket in the US it’s 10% taxes with minimum $22k a year income. That is $2200 a year, which is a crazy amount for them to be able afford when someone in the highest tax bracket is paying 37% and it doesn’t start until $578k for a single filing. That’s about $214k in taxes with about $364k left over to be as empathetic as they want to be with it. It would take the person who is paying 10% in taxes 16.5 years just to make what the person who is making half a million a year makes AFTER TAXES!

        It’s very hard for either group to be empathetic to the other, but for vastly different reasons.

        I am very bad at public math if anyone sees a glaring issue.

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          I agree with your sentiment but that’s not how taxes work… Only the money after 578k is at taxed at 37%… So the first 22k is taxed as 10% even if you make a billion dollars.

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            How is that proving my point any less? You are absolutely right those fucking billionaires way more than $578k every day and yet the person who pays at 10% is going to feel that tax burden so much more than someone making a million dollars!

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          No I refuse to sink to that level of ignorance. That’s how you get Gazas happening, seeing people as not people. Any sweeping generalization of any group of people is inherently wrong. Saying all rich are unempathetic and not human is fucking wild and if you can’t see what wrong with that rhetoric then yikes