• FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    It’s not just billionaires. If you put any amount of money into the S&P500 in Jan 1 2017, it would be worth more than twice as much today.

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      7 months ago

      But is it really fair that a person with 50 million can turn that into 100 million, whereas most people can turn at most $5,000 into $10,000?

      Earning $5,000 over 7 years is basically worthless.

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          Using median makes it a loaded statistic skewed in favor of the minority (in this case, the wealthy).

          Over half the country is living paycheck-to-paycheck, so that median number is already in the ‘well-off’ category by default, making them irrelevant to the main point of discussion.

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            Is that true? Median is literally taking the value in the middle. So if there are 30 million 70 year olds then it would be picking the 15th millionth person and using their savings.

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            7 months ago

            You have it backwards. The mean, not the median, is skewed by outliers.

            If there are ten people in a room with $100 and one with $1000, the median is $100 whereas the mean is $200.

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            Got to eat. Retirement is gone, and your 401k is nothing more than a subsidy so you can work part time as a greeter until death.

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        But is it really fair that a person with 50 million can turn that into 100 million

        Yes.

        And since that can only happen by investing that amount into the economy, it’s wisely encouraged by the system, versus putting the 50 million in a vault somewhere.

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          The fact that you can’t see how this is a huge flaw in, at the very least, the American form of capitalism is sad.

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            7 months ago

            You think it’s sad because you’re deeply ignorant. Do you also think that if the $5 baseball card you bought becomes worth $100, that that means you’ve stolen $95? lol

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          They are not investing it into the great magical economy. It’s in hedge funds that actively destroy the economy.

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        7 months ago

        Liquid assets are a type of wealth. For many people, liquid assets make up the biggest part of their wealth.

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          No, they don’t. Liquid assets don’t increase in value. If they had $1 in cash seven years ago, it would be worth less than that today due to inflation.

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            7 months ago

            Stocks are liquid assets. They can increase in value.

            T-bills are also liquid assets. They can also increase in value.

            Savings accounts and money market accounts are also liquid assets. They can also increase in value.

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              I’m pretty sure that liquid assets are things that you can spend, so cash and bank accounts. Anything that you have to sell to buy things is not a liquid asset. (Note that we are not talking about barter. I had a friend at college who traded a snake for a VW camper, neither of which would be considered a liquid asset. Even though technically you could put the snake in a giant blender…)

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          When you’re a billionaire, most of your net worth comes from businesses you own, not liquid assets.

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            Billionaires are far more likely to own part of a business than 100% of a business. And if you own stocks, then you too own part of a business.