Next year Windows 10 goes End of Life. Microsoft will undoubtedly push windows 11 hard, but a lot of machines won’t support it leading to a few economic points of interest:
The demand for new machines will be high, driving up cost.
The supply of unsupported machines will be high, driving down the used market.
Are you all ready?
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With Valve pumping all that development money and effort into proton, I will finally be able to go full Linux before Windows 10 ends it’s life. I only needed it for gaming, but those days are finally gone! Thanks Valve! _
I did that this year, smooth sailing so far!
I did it many years ago. Some minor hiccups (Mostly at the start, with a select few games taking a while before running well in proton), but overall my experience has been pretty smooth as well. Especially in like the last…3ish years? I dont think I’ve been held back from playing anything I seriously wanted to play.
This is the year of Linux on desktop?
My Grandma uses Arch by the way
every year is the year of linux on desktop, or so has been claimed.
I’m ready to reinstall 7, problem solved.
IMHO people just won’t give a flying fuck about it. Most people won’t even be aware of it.
They’ll upgrade when they’ll buy a new PC, just as usual.
If MS decides that my hardware is obsolete, I’ll just go full Linux 🤷♂️
My machine is 7 years old and runs fine on Windows 11. I don’t understand all these posts about Windows 11 not being supported. TPMs have been a thing for 10+ years now.
Do you game at all? Gaming on Linux has made great strides, be be fair, but for a lot of titles you still need to consider a dual boot of some form of Windows, thanks to over the top anti-cheat, DRM, and developer support.
Something to consider for the gamers out there.
The only titles that don’t work in Linux are the ones with invasive anti-cheat, some multi-player titles.
Virtually all single players game work. I’ve had games that don’t work on Windows due to crashes / performance but run on Linux.
Game pass games also do not work afaik.
Personally I use Linux Mint on my other machine and Windows on my main PC
Before Windows 10 goes EoL I’m going to get my NAS running a Windows VM for Fusion 360 and Lightroom and my main rig will be on Linux Mint as well
I just need a need to finish my NAS rebuild to get everything rolling at full steam
Unfortunately that means I need to stop buying car parts first
stop buying car parts first
Oof. Same, brother. Same. 🤜🤛
As your attorney I advise you to buy a motorcycle. Bikes and bike parts are cheaper. And then you can have more bikes than cars, and more bikes to buy parts for. Wait, where was I going with this again?
This was my logic.
Sell the BMW and get a Ducati and then a Honda Monkey….
Ooooh shiny new Rizoma parts!!!My account ain’t growing at all…!
If you wanted to get rid of windows in general, Darktable seems to be a good alternative to lightroom, for raw editing. There’s a learning curve, but there are plenty of tutorials available.
Not sure about Fusion 360 though… Maybe FreeCAD?
Unfortunately FreeCAD is not as featur e rich as Fusion 360
It’s getting closer but it’s not there yet
Did that over 10 years ago so hope you join up soon. :)
Same with apple, tho 😇
Apple is king of new OS doesn’t work on the old hardware though
Finally I don’t need my computer for working, they provided us with company laptops, so I don’t need to worry about compatibility and windows only programs anymore.
So you know what I’m going to do once windows 10 reaches eol.
For my it will certainly be the year of desktop linux.
We are trialing about 20 Linux desktops (10 Linux mint and 10 zorin OS) across 2 of our MSP clients.
So far, they have had zero technical tickets in 6 months. They did have double the average user training tickets compared to windows machines. Most of the questions were around how to work with editable PDFs and where is the document was they just saved (file manager questions).
Zorin OS seems to be winning on the usability metrics. Its very polished and more closely matching the UI of people coming from windows.
Are there any windows programs you’ve had to set up through wine?
Not in our case. We only take on clients that converted to browser based apps. Bit we are yet to convert the heavy excel users. The one we have converted are light Excel users and online excel is working just fine for them.
It’s my only hangup. I vba on the regular. Work forced win11 on me, but at home, once i can be assed, I’ll vm windows eventually and migrate completely, and scheme alternative languages for my spreadsheet wizardry lmao
Libre calc Scripting imo is more matured and better than excel. Better and far more popular language (python or javascript equally far better than vb)
I’ve heard good things but haven’t looked into it yet. Thing is, I got so good at vba that I got a promotion out of it lmao. As archaic as it is, my work is essentially hardcoded in windows for the foreseeable future, so I have to be able to dick around in msoffice.
I don’t know. I have a 7th gen i7 and it works fine, I want a new PC but can’t afford it, but even if I could I wouldn’t touch Win11 with a barge pole.
I fucking hate it. I don’t want to move to Linux. Probably just pirate the updates for the next 3 years and then deal with the security risk.
Need to petition the EU to shop this shit and force them to extend life due to the insane amount of e-waste it will cause.
I have decided to install Debian on the one Windows 10 PC I have
Yeah, people are just going to keep using it, they just won’t get updates. That means they will be vulnerable to any exploits that come along afterward but most people don’t care. M$ shot everyone in the foot when they decided to limit windows 11 compatibility.
When windows 7 came out I knew people who stuck with windows xp until they bought a new computer with 10 or 11 on it. The market will get a slight bump from EoL but it isn’t going to force everyone with windows 10 to run out and buy a new computer immediately.
It’s mostly just to force the hands of businesses that will now have to upgrade to stay compliant with security standards
Which is probably the play. I’d doubt Microsoft really gives a flying fuck about home users buying licenses anymore, since their revenue model for consumer Windows is just ads and data harvesting now anyway.
A few months back we just upgraded some school computers from Windows XP to Windows 7, so that checks out. They can barely run that anyway and get almost no use.
Your machine needs to be around a decade old to be incompatible I think.
MS shot itself by being so backwards compatible.
The primary requirements are TPM, a security feature.
I used to take pride in that I could fully set up, configure, secure, minimally provision (with software) and neuter the more egregious aspects of Vista/7/8/8.1 within a 16hr time frame.
With Windows 10 this increased to 20 hours, and with my own Windows 11 install I am currently clocking in at 24hrs - three whole work days. The last day of which is spent in the Registry and doing multiple reboots to ensure the new UI fuckery has been appropriately castrated.
I have a handful of programs, both current and vintage, that are either inadequately or completely unable to be serviced by Wine. With that said, I am now down to only two rigs on Windows, the remainder being various flavours of Linux or BSD.
Cheap good win10 systems, yum. I m ready
Just get yourself a copy of the LTSC (long term service contract) versions, they will still be supported until 2027, and in the past have been extended by up to 5 years on top.
It’s the only viable alternative to Linux, for those who can’t switch for one or another reason. Windows 11 is pure cancer.
Long term servicing “Channel”
Having used 10 and 11 interchangeably since 11 came out… meh.
I mean, maybe there are additional annoyances from the IT/sysadmin side that I just don’t bump into as a user, but besides some UX downgrades that don’t make sense (that taskbar… why?) it’s a pretty neutral change. Maybe I’m to grizzled by having been there in the switch to 95. I unironically had Windows Me on my computer there for a while. I even caved and did some Vista eventually.
But not Windows 8. Windows 8 was unusable.
Windows 11 is garbage:
- UI is garbage, from right click to the taskbar, its a alpha release being sold to as complete product.
- settings missing alot of control panel items and you cant go back in some cases for even simple things like sound device management, network management, all settings are far far from parity.
- Poor hardware compatibility, bsod on same hardware is common occurance.
- Privacy invasive spyware. From the search service to the telemetry. Its a data mining platform
- Security is terrible. Internet connected Services are on by default that shouldnt be like search and telemetry. Any on by default service, like telemetry can and are abused with zero days. Mandated cloud services as a bandaid to poor local account security. Security is a bandaid full stop, from the kernel to cloud services its not secure by design.
Agree on 1, mostly. I forget that’s the case because I have software installed to fix it, which is fairly trivial but shouldn’t be necessary in the first place.
2 is a day one meme thing that no longer holds. Sound management in particular is now much better than Win 10 in several key areas, IMO. Likewise with 3. Echoes of Vista and Win 8.1 dragging day one legit complaints way past when they were no longer an issue.
4 and 5 are the kinds of things that average users typically don’t know or care about (and mostly don’t have to) and are debatable from a power user’s perspective. If the argument is Win10 is reaching end of support and you care about the implications of that, then you are the type of user that can fix that problem. And if you’re the kind of user who doesn’t care about a supported vs unuspported Win10, you don’t care about this specific observation either.
Let me be clear, I’m not an active apologist for Win 11 or any other Windows, I just don’t have a preference. Win11 was a sidestep, the best I can say for it is that I’m kinda glad MS was semi-forced to keep it as a separate version rather than a patch to 10. But it’s also mostly just fine. A few people got really incensed about it early on and have tried to keep up a pretense that it’s a disaster iteration in the vein of some of the really bad ones, which using it day to day is clearly an exaggeration.
- Is absolutely still an issue expecially when manufacturers advise on disabling OS features for compatibility. Dont forget that user base you talk about, this is an OS upgrade so if its not stable, its not suitable. My god is it not stable, read kernal processor power management. Its a stability nightmare for general users.
So bother with all that mac imitation especially when the upgrade is not possible? Just buy the more power efficient, faster and improved value chrome book.
Wait, who is talking about ChromeOS? I thought we were talking about Win10 v Win11.
I through that in for bait ❤️ for the MS bros
I swear, the fact that people treat operating systems as if they were 90s kids arguing about Sega vs. Nintendo is exhausting and I have zero patience for it.
The taskbar is one thing, but it’s horribly slow, even on a rather high spec laptop. The delay from clicking start menu icons to programs starting is very noticeable, and some programs freeze regularly. MS Office are actually some of the worst offenders. I tried it for 2 weeks and then did a fresh install of Windows 10.
I didn’t even mind ME, for me it was running pretty stable. I heard most issues came from people updating from 98 or 98SE to ME, a clean install was usually stable.
I skipped Vista though, went straight to 7. Still my favorite Windows. 8 was crap, 8.1 was not bad once you applied the taskbar fix.
I actually liked the full screen Start menu from 8/8.1 for the specific use case of my living room PC. You got a big 10-foot UI by default with nice large icons you could punch from across the room.
The whole put-your-mouse-in-the-corner-and-swipe for the charms menu was baffling, though. I get that this was supposed to be a tablet UI thing, but why make it mandatory for the mouse interface as well?
Funny that this started with 10 in my experience. Our family laptop did an involuntary upgrade back in 2016, and its 2 cores, 4 gigs of ram and hdd just couldn’t handle it. And none in our family was savvy enough to downgrade to 7. Thankfully same did not happen to mom’s similarly weak one, it was saved from running an EOL system by Linux)
11 has artificial hardware requirements built in that will prevent it from installing on a lot of computers (possibly most computers deployed in the world, at this point) which is the main issue. All those non-technical home users who bought a brand name prebuilt PC in 5, 6, however many years ago that still works just fine will not be able to upgrade.
They will be left in the lurch unless M$ relents and removes those requirements (unlikely), they all learn to patch them out themselves (extremely unlikely), or they all go buy new computers with newer hardware (extremely annoying).
As me and others have said all over this thing, Windows 10 no longer getting updates doesn’t mean it’s mandatory to update. Most of the users you describe will not notice or care that security updates die out and they will just take whatever runs in the next PC they buy, as they normally do.
This mostly matters to power users and corporations. If that. I’m arguably a power user and have zero intention to upgrade my legacy Win10 machines for this reason, either.
Corporations (the only people who actually care about their OS being in support) upgrade their machines every few years so they’ve already done that. Home users don’t know what that means and won’t care. The remaining 2% have already installed linux.
This.
Official OS support is a security concern. The machine I have in use at home that is running Win10 is doing so on deliberately old hardware for preservation and it will continue to do so indefinitely, just like my XP machine. I’m even a bit surprised myself by how few Win10 computers I have, considering I haven’t once upgraded one to Win11 on purpose. I thik I may have an older laptop that is still on Win10 and can happily stay there, since it doesn’t see much use.
But hey, corporate office PCs ARE likely to hit the used market in higher numbers at that point, and those are often a good deal for cheap DIY builds. It’s still a good date to track if you’re into that sort of thing.
Yep, got my frenly window-smashing ball and a mug of pale eol ready.
Been ready since before Win 10 was announced. I went 100% Linux 10 years ago.
