- On Reddit: “Windows is being enshitified. How can we cope with it?”
- On Lemmy: “Windows is being enshitified. Good thing we’ve moved to Linux”
I think I see a pattern here.
There might be a correlation between Linux and alternative Socials
Meanwhile Linux users trying to ger wifi to work
Yes, but like 10 years ago. That was probably the last time I ripped out chunks of hair and snapped off teeth trying to configure a half supported broadcom wireless card.
I rarely have WiFi issues on Linux. At least not with internal WiFi cards. USB ones can sometimes be a problem, but not often.
I just add this to my system config:
networking.wireless = { enable = true; networks = import ./networks.nix; };Then I define my networks in a gitignored file and I’m good to go.
it’s the never ending cycle, we struggle getting wifi to work and then laugh at windows users trying to get windows to work
we struggle getting wifi to work
No we don’t
I feel like my joke went over a lot of people’s heads
Every kernel update on Ubuntu kills my wifi driver. So I automatically recompile and add my new driver…same driver each gaddam time. But it’s not an ad 😂 lol.
Get the maintainer to PR it to the linux-firmware team if its unique.
I just dont get it, you pay for the OS, they monitor you like a hawk and sell that shit. Now they are like we need to make sure they get all these ads too, also we are going to ruin any app that you use, like search or notepad. We will milk this mother dry then claim users dont understand how much it costs to run the company.
If you have a monopoly and need to maximize profits then the question becomes: Why not?! You could extract more money this way, and it’s not like your users would go anywhere else at this point.
That is why it’s so important to fight and break up monopolies, and to limit what these companies can do. Because they have no reason not to squeeze every penny they can get out of you!
Issue is, I don’t think even the current competition is helping them to get better, if they became smaller for some reason they’d just go back to their active sabotage days.
What I’d think would help to actually wither Microsoft’s monopoly in addition of breaking it up is forcing them to open source Windows, thus taking their main leverage on the market. Windows would be a good (not great) OS if it wasn’t for MS and its shareholders trying to monetize it as much as possible, and trying to make all computers like what the Junkman had in the Superhero Team vs. Genocidal Purple Guy Part 3.
Sad that Windows basically have stronghold in OS market. It’s a hurdle for linux to even hit 5%, and there is no alternatives for generic hardware…
This is the norm of what shareholder-driven companies in a situation of monopoly will tend to do. They try to see how much they can abuse their position of dominance on the market to maximize their profits. Microsoft’s primary goal isn’t to make a good user experience, or even a good OS. Their main goal is to milk as much money as possible from its assets for its shareholders. They’ve been playing that game for decades, only backtracking when the consumer backlash is strong enough to threaten their sales or when the government threatens to break them up.
On top of that, Microsoft has a long history of letting arrogant elements of top management take control of projects who will then force their “vision” down the throats of their customers who don’t want any of it. They will only backtrack once the sales numbers become disastrous enough. Then usually the control returns to more competent people and a decent product tends to result from it. Think how Windows Vista lead to Windows 7. And how Windows 8 lead to Windows 10. Or even how the XBox One was originally designed and marketed as some sort of stupid way to watch NFL games on your TV with Kinect controls until they realized they were losing the console war and then started treating it like a gaming console again.
I just dont get it
I mean it’s not complicated. If you don’t want to use Windows, your options are:
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Pay thousands for a Mac computer that may not have the features you want, and never be able to upgrade or repair it, or
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Get a software engineering degree so you can figure out how to install, use and regularly debug Linux. Because even techy people you know that might want to help you don’t know anything about Linux.
There just aren’t many options for “normies”.
I walked my 83 year old dad through a Linux Mint install on his laptop over the phone a few weeks ago when the Windows install shit the bed. All he needs is a browser, he’s good now.
Get out of here with that “software engineering degree” BS.
Lmfao guess he doesn’t need you to help him setup his email port settings or have any issues with audio drivers or any of the other common issues we see with Linux installs.
Why would a random 83 year old set up his own email port configs? He signs into gmail.com like everyone else, let’s be realistic if we’re gonna talk shit
I worked for an ISP residential tech support for 3 years. Don’t tell me what’s realistic lmfao. I experienced it very, very often. And they sure as fuck couldn’t do it in windows.
And this is why it will never be more popular: A community that refuses to acknowledge the shortcomings, and animosity for anyone who questions it or asks for support.
It is easier more than ever to install linux today.
The issue boils down to the fact that the number of people that never installed an OS is pretty high.
Most people buy their laptop and roll with the OS installed. Microsoft paid a lot to be the default choice and we have the market we have today.
But if you check your email and browse internet, any OS will work.
The strength and weakness of Linux, is that there is many ways to skin a cat. But it can get confusing really fast, even if you are tech savvy.
Habits die hard and Microsoft and Apple were pretty good at capturing the market.
I think you’d be better off stating people are too lazy to install Linux.
Just because they proved you completely wrong and millions of others using Linux daily prove you wrong too doesn’t mean they’re bringing “animosity.”
Just accept the L and move on.
Pay thousands for a Mac computer that may not have the features you want, and never be able to upgrade or repair it, or
M1 Air costs USD $750 where I live.
Get a software engineering degree so you can figure out how to install, use and regularly debug Linux. Because even techy people you know that might want to help you don’t know anything about Linux.
Hyperbole to sell an easily disprovable false narrative. For what?
Calm down and eat your lunch, Helen.
M1 Air costs USD $750 where I live.
That MacBook will have 8GB of RAM and 128GB of storage, which is completely useless, not to mention fucking highway robbery when you can buy a Windows laptop for half of that with better specs.
Hyperbole to sell an easily disprovable false narrative.
LOL I’d love to see you prove me wrong. Go on ahead. It’s easy!
That is not how it works. You have to proof your claim. If you want to be taken serious at least.
That’s exactly how it works when someone else calls your claim “easily disprovable”.
LOL I’d love to see you prove me wrong. Go on ahead. It’s easy!
God, debate perverts are annoying.
That MacBook will have 8GB of RAM and 128GB of storage, which is completely useless, not to mention fucking highway robbery when you can buy a Windows laptop for half of that with better specs.
You said thousands of dollars. They’re not thousands. And yeah, you can get a cheaper machine. And put some flavor of GNU/Linux on that too!
LOL I’d love to see you prove me wrong. Go on ahead. It’s easy!
Highest market share ever, these days!
I don’t think you need a CS degree to run through this guide.
Stop being hyperbolic.
You said thousands of dollars. They’re not thousands.
But they are…
And yeah, you can get a cheaper machine. And put some flavor of GNU/Linux on that too!
Not pre-installed.
None of those links prove me wrong. Try again.
They do for me!
But they are…
Once again, here’s one at $750.
Not pre-installed.
Here’s some great laptops with GNU/Linux pre-installed.
There are vendors supplying workforce laptops and miniPC’s running MintOS for less than $350 per unit, in bulk!
None of those links prove me wrong.
All of them prove your silly, bogus assertions wrong.
Try again.
Nah. Don’t have to.
Once again, here’s one at $750.
Once again, completely unusable.
Tuxedo
System76
Niche suppliers normies have never heard of. Can’t find them on retail sites or in stores. Also very expensive.
I know all of these things. I use Linux. I think Linux is better than Windows. I’m just answering the question of why so many people continue to use Windows.
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Notepad is horrible now, how tf do you mess that up??
What happened to notepad?
In Windows 11 it saves every text file you open as a new tab, so every time you open a text file you’ll have tabs upon tabs of every previous text file you’ve ever opened.
Here’s a Reddit post with some people talking about how to disable it, how frustrating it is, and even how it’s causing problems by straight up opening the wrong file if it’s named the same as a text file you’ve opened in the past.
Here’s a Reddit post with some people talking about how to disable it, how frustrating it is
Virgin Windows users on Reddit: *Crying in a corner instead of looking in settings on their own and make 3(!) mouse clicks*
Chad Linux users on Lemmy: *Editing .conf files in vim*
So what’s the deal with vim? I spooled up a vps recently and decided to forgo the gui options, like a real Linux server admin. I have been using nano and it seems to do all I need from a basic text editor in the terminal. I get that vim/emacs meme-bantering but actually why. It accepts texts and stores them in files. What is the actual point/difference?
Notepad++ was gaining some traction so Microsoft figured they nip that in the bud with a half-hearted attempt?
Notepad++ was gaining some traction so Microsoft figured they nip that in the bud with a half-hearted attempt?
Microsoft’s competitor to Notepad++ is VS Code.
Notepad++ is a text editor while VS Code is an IDE. They are intended for different use cases.
Notepad++ is a text editor while VS Code is an IDE. They are intended for different use cases.
No, both are source code editors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-code_editor#Notable_examples
Visual Studio is the full IDE, VS Code isn’t. Visual Studio and VS Code are completely different products, even though both carry Visual Studio branding.
What would be missing from VS Code or VS Codium that an IDE needs?
I’m an ex Visual Studio user, now writing all my code in VS Codium. I organize my project tree in VS Codium, I build from it and, like a Visual Studio user, I press F5 to debug, set breakpoints and inspect variables.
And that’s just the default install using the vanilla C/C++ extension it ships with, not some complicated setup that takes any time to get working.
What would be missing from VS Code or VS Codium that an IDE needs?
Snipped from the first question in the FAQ:
More details on the Visual Studio website.
If you disagree with the assessments of both the VS Code developer and Wikipedia, please discuss it there.
I get the point you’re trying to make but they made a free version of windows a while ago. The price for it is the ads.
Well then is it free?
There’s a free version of windows? 😮 Did they just give up because everybody cracks it?
Man, securing the privacy of a Windows PC can really wear you down. Remember all those times I spent tweaking the Group Policy Settings? Turning off each and every one of them was a chore, but the real kicker was having to do it all over again after every update.
And don’t even get me started on that
spyware.exein the task manager. It seemed like it was everywhere, hiding in plain sight and multiplying with each passing day. Finding and closing all those instances was a real headache.But the icing on the cake was the constant need to check the privacy settings after every update. I couldn’t afford to take my eyes off the ball, and the fear of something breaking or getting compromised was always present.
The whole experience left me feeling drained and frustrated. I mean, who needs that kind of stress in their life? That’s why I made the switch to Linux – it was a welcome relief and a breath of fresh air.
Are you me? This is exactly why I switched to Linux recently. Got tired of protecting myself from my ‘vendor’.
To block Windows ads, literally all you have to do is edit the “hosts” file (C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts) with the loopback address assigned to Microsoft’s ad domains. Takes 30 seconds:
127.0.0.1 data.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 msftconnecttest.com
127.0.0.1 azureedge.net
127.0.0.1 activity.windows.com
127.0.0.1 bingapis.com
127.0.0.1 msedge.net
127.0.0.1 assets.msn.com
127.0.0.1 scorecardresearch.com
127.0.0.1 edge.microsoft.com
127.0.0.1 data.msn.com
all you have to do to block ads on linux:
there was that one time Ubuntu added ads to the search menu tho
well ubuntu is a shit stain in linux world anyway
ubuntu isn’t real and doesnt exist.
And even then, all you would have to do is just stop using ubuntu. Which given the lifespan of a linux user, is a pretty normal occurrence.
How did you build this list? This is likely to break other things. Azureedge isn’t just for ads, and msftconnecttest is literally only used to detect if your internet connection is working.
i guess he booted up the system and saw what was using the internet
I got it from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJr2DcffquI
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.piped.video/watch?v=IJr2DcffquI
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
And people think Linux is complicated…
Does this fuck up other stuff though? I used the old telemetry set before but it prevents you from signing in on Xbox account in games
I’ve been using it for 6 months and it hasn’t fucked anything up. I use my Xbox account pretty regularly
Can’t tell if joking…
what? shouldn’t blocked domains be routed to 0.0.0.0 instead of loopback? This might cause the system generally to wait for a response instead of instantly realizing those domains don’t exists
We need to make more memes like this. Now we are considered crazy using Linux. They need to be repaid for it 🥰
Wait a bit Ubuntu is next. They already added terminal ads, embedded affiliate links for amazon, and sold user data to amazon.
Using Ubuntu is a mistake to begin with.
This is such horseshit. The drama of the Linux community never ceases to amaze me.
Latest Debian has all the ease and little of the worry.
Oh i know, I’m running MX
Now that I think about it, the decline of ubuntu began when they inserted amazon affiliate links in their ui a long time ago. The final straw for me is forcing snaps when attempting to install some apps via apt. I replaced all my ubuntu machines with debian without any issue.
Just don’t use Ubuntu then.
AFAIK the “terminal ads” were suggesting Ubuntu Pro when using the package management. It’s very far away from actual ads. Just the free version suggesting the paid one. Not ad space sold to third parties.
And for most people, Ubuntu Pro is free in practice (since most folks are unlikely to have more than 5 machines that need the features Pro provides).
Just the free version suggesting the paid one. Not ad space sold to third parties.
You’ve read it here, folks. Microsoft just needs to promote Xbox deals and such, then it’s not an ad space sold to third parties. (Either that or you’re holding Canonical to a different standard than Microsoft.)
It would be more like MS selling extended support, which is fair and relevant to something being on the update page.
Would it be bad if a community driven distro had a donations link once a year in the package manager? Not really. A bit annoying, but we still live in a world where they need money too.
Yeah, I don’t get extreme criticism against any monetization. Isn’t Ubuntu Pro basically paid version of ubuntu?
which is fair and relevant to something being on the update page.
The Ubuntu paid ad doesn’t show just in the updater either. Seems like double standard allowing Canonical advertising their paid product every time the terminal is opened and Microsoft would be only fine to be allowed to advertise paid updates in the updater.
Would it be bad if a community driven distro had a donations link once a year in the package manager? Not really.
I’m a packager of a small but public repository. Over the years some of the packages were actually picked up by the upstream distribution (minor stuff to scratch my own itch, nothing noteworthy, IMO, but still). I was never offered a few cents of whatever donations came in. Such money goes to the distribution leaders, not the actual community and even less so to the actual upstream software developers. If anything, the upstream software developers should get the money, not a downstream distribution where most of the work is automated anyway and yet replacing bookmarks in the default browser to customized ones for the distribution is common practice. Back when people still bought MP3 music, Canonical replaced the affiliate IDs for MP3 music stores to funnel money off upstream developers into their own pockets.
A bit annoying, but we still live in a world where they need money too.
Windows 10 started out as a free upgrade to Win7 and Win8 users (at least the Home variant, not sure about Pro and higher). Since then Win11 has also been a free upgrade. Do we live in a world where Windows developers need to make money from their product then?
So how are people going to know who you are and how to support you? First time I’m hearing from you. Leave a note somewhere. Your altruism is appreciated, but you do need to eat too! Don’t passively let capitalism take advantage of you. You don’t need to extend your values to corporate.
Money still runs the world. Windows or FOSS devs. I wish things were different, but you are wasting your political support on something that is not a big deal.
Ubuntu Pro is hardly an ad and not comparable to candy crush. Letting people know of a service to get more support is within scope (which is a target for enterprise anyway). To be clear there are better things to criticize about Canonical.
So how are people going to know who you are and how to support you? First time I’m hearing from you. Leave a note somewhere. Your altruism is appreciated, but you do need to eat too! Don’t passively let capitalism take advantage of you.
I do have a regular job. I’m doing fine. I don’t want or need money donated to Linux distributions. Updating a few packages is hardly any work at all because the majority of tasks is automated (as I said: my repo is small and for my own use. I don’t advertise its existence but I also don’t hide it either). Actually developing software is. I don’t want distributors nagging users for money to then put in their pockets. Distributors can promote pledge drives to fund hosting on their website.
Ubuntu Pro is hardly an ad
Yes, it is.
Letting people know of a service to get more support is within scope
Cool, so Microsoft’s “Back up to OneDrive” once per month and “Get more OneDrive storage” don’t count then…
Look my you ran an update and the update program is letting you know how you can get extended support if you needed. It is with in the scope of the activity in a way that Candy Crush and One Drive are not. If Kden live was more explicit about being part of the KDE universe I don’t think there is harm to that either. Ubuntu pro is not malicious or vendor locking (in its current state). What is the big deal that you spend so much energy here? Letting people know how to get 12 years of support instead of just the standard 5? There is a cost to doing that and ensuring quality. The discussion on the distribution paying upstream is important, but kind of a separate matter (and yes they could be doing more).
This is supposed to be for a company that has multiple machines and needs security back ported. Any regular desktop user can just opt out. Real question, what changes do you want to see to make things better? Like we do need to improve communication on how to support FOSS in general. I am not a particularly good programmer, so don’t commit bug fixes. I live in the shit hole US South and 50% below median for the state, so my money contributions are never that high. If we are allergic to Ubuntu Pro or
x packages are looking for funding.innpm, how do we really address anything? I get that ads are very invasive, but i think you are picking the least impressive hill to die on here.
For now…
Wait that was real? I thought that was a joke someone made cuz I believe I saw an image of it on one of the meme communities.
linuxmemes
Windows meme
Checks out.
Shitting on windows is the most Linux thing you can do
And we don’t even need to, because windows users already complain about windows all the time.
I could take it or leave it. I just feel bad for my family and friends when they have issues…
I feel bad for myself when they bring their problems to me.
Theo de Raadt of OpenBSD once said: “Linux people do what they do because they hate Microsoft. We do what we do because we love Unix.”
It is such a beautiful system too. I would love to use it more, but nix and NixOS have kind of ruined every other operating system for me…
Guix.
Ubuntu advertises their paid cloud hosting service every time you install server manually.
The Linux infiltration of PC gaming communities has been one of the most successful covert operations in the history of espionage. So successful that the agents don’t even need to hide their identities.
They came for the gamers-….
Sorry, joke just flew over my head
The domain blacklist I was using was probably excessive then.
just roll back to WinXP.
WinXP and (perhaps to a lesser extent) Win7 were decent tho Edit : said by someone that daily drives linux for like at least the last 4 years, 2 of which with tiling WMs
I just use ameliorated windows 10, never been bothered by anything else.
What’s that?
Its an open source tool for modifying existing windows installation preferably start with a fresh one. It does quite a lot with removing anything spyware related. Removing a bunch of features that really no one uses in order to mitigate the attack surface from vulnerabilities.
Do watch out if you use UWP it will remove those too, including Edge.
3rd party modifications to windows iso that basically amounts to trusting an internet stranger.
You are talking about the old Ameliorated, the new one doesn’t modify an iso instead its a tool that modifies an already installed windows instance.
Also kinda weird to word it like that since with any open source tool we are trusting internet strangers
My bad. Sorry.
Alright but whenever they actually accomplish it, you have to give them some props.
