“I’m the nominee of the Democratic Party. No one’s pushing me out. I’m not leaving," he said in a call to the broader campaign
Trump didn’t answer a single fucking question and blathered on just as much- yet of course the focus is ALL on Biden. Trump didn’t even have to show up.
The hate was there before it began.
Not a word about what “King” Trump said or did…. And here we are. America deserves Trump at this point.
There are two ways to look at this. In one respect you can say why the hell are so many Americans still not grasping just how bad Trump is?
But then you need to assume the responsibility of being the more informed party and adjust your strategy not for the electorate you want but for the electorate you have.
And that electorate is demanding a better candidate for Democrats to appeal to said uninformed undecided swing state voters who will decide this election.
Trump didn’t answer a single fucking question
And that was the best strat for him. Biden was falling apart himself. Letting the man talk was the winning strategy. He was lying and exaggerating but at the end of the day, Biden’s performance was so embarrasingly bad that they didn’t even matter
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
America deserves Trump at this point.
The rest of the world doesn’t, he’ll mess things up far beyond the US. Encouraging Russia/North Korea, weakening NATO, all sorts of trade wars, there’s so much he could throw a wrench in.
God.fucking.dammit.
When these two debates were announced, I knew it was going to be fucked up, but NO. Oooh he’s got to debate! He’ll show everyone how bad trump is! He needs to do it to help the undecideds!
Fucking insane gibberish of a person who learned NOTHING from 2016. We got away with it in 2020 on the sheer novelty of an adult, a representative of government, telling trump to shut the fuck up. Now that was good tv. But it was a one-off.
And now look at this shit. These fuckheads who can’t wait to elect trump are all up in here going “ooooh noooo Biden’s so bad he’s making us have trump be elected!1!!”
Goddammit. The fucking “Operation gENoSiDE jOe” wasn’t gaining enough traction so THANK FUCK a bunch of Harvard MBA fuckups roundly decided Joe should stand on stage with a demented socopathic rapist who is functionally incapable of telling the truth and, y’know, give folks in the rural areas a little of the ol’, y’know, compare and contrast! What a goddamned brilliant idea. Hey! Let’s do it twice! Yeah! We are soooo smrt.
Son of a fucking bitch, now we have to watch this garbage-truck-off-a-cliff-in-slow-motion for probably the next three months while all the Li’l Che Guevaras pile in every thread like clowns in a decrepit, backfiring bus, farting and defecating the same pointless key phrases over and over.
DNC, you fucked up again because you refuse to understand how media works. Trumps out here kicking in windows and laughing and you guys are faxing press releases to republiQan-run news organizations and hoping their spin isn’t terrible. Christ in a bucket.
They fucked up losing Bernie Sanders, easy 8 years (people would have grown to love him)
Dude is fucking sharp, huge misfire on not backing him.
No argument from me. Except that it passed already and, well, gestures to everything
Has it ever occurred to you the short bus Che Guevaras were farting the phrases because they saw this coming?
They saw Biden was “too unelectable” a year ago? Sure. That’s why they won’t shut up about it. They’re experienced campaign managers. The only reason they weren’t pulling this BS in 2016 is because they were still in middle school. Well, and also because Hillary was polling at 99% the whole time.
Oh yeah, of course, people are opposed to genocide because it’s a psyop. Let me guess, Russia is behind it too.
A New York Times poll conducted after the debate, which was published on Wednesday, suggested Trump was now holding his biggest lead yet at six points.
And a separate poll published by the BBC’s US partner CBS News suggested Trump has a three-point lead over Mr Biden in the crucial battleground states
Him refusing to listen to voters is reason enough to replace him.
But Joe can’t win without Dem voters. Every indication is he’s willing to hand trump the presidency out of spite if the party doesn’t force him out.
He’s not fit to be president, even if we beat Trump. We’re stuck with this shit where Biden does whatever the fuck he wants, and rarely agrees with the people who put him in office.
I mean, this is the kind of messaging we should expect from the office until the exact moment he flips. There isn’t anything really “new” in this BBC article, its mostly a rehash of several other articles and polls that have come out since last Thursday.
I’m still holding out for an announcement this evening/ tomorrow morning, but I am becoming less confident in that. I’m still confident that Biden isn’t going to be the nominee, but he’s creating a significant cost associated with him continuing to run as a lost-cause candidate. We need to move on and regroup, and we’re running out of time to do so.
At this point, Biden needs to basically recover 30 points in the polling to overcome the disadvantage we know he carries going into a general (we have seen how he underperforms his polling on election day; we also know that Trump typically outperforms his polling on election day). A thirty point swing at this point is a statistical impossibility, for those being practical about the matter. I can post the analysis again, but no swing of that magnitude has ever happened this close to election day. Ever. Based on his current polling, Biden has a less than 1% probability of winning, which is to say, basically impossible.
Even changing the nominee is risky at this point. There’s never been a party that has won when changing the nominee at the “last minute.”
That’s what’s scary here, replacing him could even be more disastrous than standing behind him. Both are bad choices. We’ve been fucked into a bad choice by a party that doesn’t give a shit about its own voters.
If only literally anybody in the party apparatus had listened to reason in four fucking years instead of being like “We can cart his corpse out until he croaks like we did with Dianne Feinstein.”
There’s never been…
Get back to me when we switch candidates and still lose.
You really think when the party goes into back rooms and smokes cigars to choose the candidate that the Democratic voters are just going to fall in line and vote for them?
What if the choice the party chooses is Hillary Rodham Clinton?
Tell me, what candidate do the Democrats even have that would electrify their voter base.
I’m a Democrat and all I’ve got to say is “Fuck Newsom” and “I’d vote for Whitmer to stop Trump but that’s about it.”
The very idea that the party choosing the candidate after years of people being angry about the party fucking over Bernie Sanders on purpose will be somehow a popular pick is a big fucking joke. They argued in court that it was legal for them to choose their own candidate. Lots of people remember that and will be pissed off that the party is choosing for them again.
We’re well past the primaries. We have a month and a half until the convention. The two choices are the party picks the candidate, or they let the delegates choose at the convention. Both will be guaranteed shitshows, since none of the actual voters will get a choice in this matter.
Maybe you could run with this argument if the DNC hadn’t purposefully locked Bernie Sanders out as a candidate twice in a row. People remember, people won’t be happy about the bullshit choice of Biden being replace with another bullshit choice. We’re not gonna magic up some primaries in a month and a half.
The party literally chose to ignore this issue until after the primaries so voters wouldn’t have a choice. Fuck them for that.
They chose to deny that Biden was too old, and they purposefully waited until after the primaries to admit it to deny voters an actual choice because they think the party knows better. Evidence of the last 20 years is the party doesn’t know shit.
…but I guess if we just ignore the actual logistics and the recent past of the party itself, we can just play pretend that it will totally work out. /s
Ah yes. This old tired canard.
Tell me you don’t understand XKCD without telling me you don’t understand XKCD.
Even changing the nominee is risky at this point.
So is not replacing him, and the hand wringing around it being a problem is a significant contributor to this mess lasting as long as it has.
The right answer is to go to an open convention and duke it out the way its always been done in the past. At least bring back some semblance of democracy to the Democratic party; you’ll get a SHIT ton of coverage on the matter; it will turn into a real horse race and get people engaged, and then you’ll have a candidate is at least competitive, which Biden isnt.
You shouldnt be scared of replacing Biden. Thats like being scared of pulling over in a car with a flat tire.
The only people duking it out at the convention will be delegates. The party clearly thinks that they know better than the voters and they’re not gonna stop now.
Like the entire Democratic party keeps fucking up every chance they get because they’re so self assured and won’t listen to criticism. This has been the story of the last 25 fucking years.
Do you really expect me to believe they’ll turn around now and make a good choice? I don’t. Just like Hillary and Biden were bad choices, they’re just gonna choose another fucking bad choice.
I’m not fretting about it, I think it’s fucking stupid to leave the choice with the same idiots who fucked it up to begin with. They’re not gonna suddenly let the voters decide. They’re gonna let already determined party delegates decide. The same fucking “superdelegate” insiders who chose Hillary Fuckwit Clinton, the only person who was audacious enough to be able to lose to Donald Trump (and to this day walks around blaming everyone but herself). The same fuckwits who hid Biden’s clearly serious age issues, just somehow hoping it would work out. You expect those people to suddenly field a non-fucktarded-candidate?
I’m not fretting about it, I think it’s fucking stupid to leave the choice with the same idiots who fucked it up to begin with
Sure. And I agree. But I’m over it. Any one polling over 45%. I dont care any more. I just want someone who can beat Trump. Its obvious to everyone with eyes that isn’t Biden.
Thanks, we’re really all on the same side here. We’re all sick of this and just want it to be over and it to not be Trump. I’m with you on that, fucking ANYONE but him, please.
Well, you and I are.
There are plenty of people here, I suggest a majority, who have deluded themselves into thinking Biden is the only possible path to beating Trump, rather than a guaranteed L.
This cohort is the same cohort that has effectively put us in such a dramatically weak position to beat Trump. They are the real problem and if allowed to go unchecked, will lose this election for us.
Joe Biden will lose. There is no more disastrous option. “Who knows what will happen” is at least in the grouping of “maybe they won’t lose”.
Welcome to how the Democrats have operated as a party since the Bill Clinton era in the 90’s.
I’m ready for the next step, which is to blame voters for not voting hard enough, after *checks notes… two years of viciously saying “You can’t critique the President it’s too close to an election” as if it’s never not too close to an election to critique Democrats apparently.
The debate isn’t even the issue. It’s the fact that we just got a king and he’s saying that we, the people who voted him in, are the only ones that can stop a dictatorship. We’re not - he literally has all of the power to save democracy and isn’t doing jack but campaign on the fall of the US
Nothing is stopping him from Officially Acting on six Supreme Court Justice literally right now.
Except that it would be against the law, and it’s hard to contrast yourself with Trump if you are also now committing crimes (even if those crimes are for the bettering of the US). Immunity doesn’t blank your crimes from the public’s minds, and forcefully removing even bad faith Justices from the Supreme Court is not a great look when he has been campaigning on knowing “right from wrong” and respecting the rule of law.
Trump is legit about to have those powers, and the only way to get that to not happen is for Biden to do something first. He will lose the public’s vote if he doesn’t (and he won’t, so he’ll send us straight into the Trump Kingdom). The time to play softball with these scumbags was long ago, and he’s still using the kid gloves.
The GOP won’t use kid gloves next year.
I don’t get the whole “holier than thou” mentality of the Democratic party. It IS the law and we need to follow it accordingly.
I’m not asking for Biden to execute 6 Supreme Court justices, but maybe he can throw them in jail as an “official” act.
Stop sticking to a playbook that no longer exists. Show real fucking leadership and demonstrate why their ruling needs a second fucking look!
The presidency gained expanded immunity not expanded powers. He can give the CIA illegal orders without fear of prosecution, but the CIA is not bound to follow them.
That’s the key difference in how this change impacts a Biden Presidency, and how it would impact a Trump presidency. Biden has surrounded himself with people who respect the law, while Trump will surround himself with criminals, lackies, and cultists.
Changing candidates now is a terrible Idea. Who is proposed to replace him? None of these articles posit a different candidate, just not Biden. Ridiculous
Literally Anyone Else 2024
Anyone else is a popular choice. Everyone loves anyone else. That is, until you name anyone else.
I’ll do it. But I have to stay anonymous.
Harris, Newsom, Whitmer, Pritzker, and Shapiro are the most common potential replacements I’ve seen floated.
Realistically it would be harris or newsom, and they are both as unpopular as biden. Obviously they are mentally sharper but have other baggage.
And which of them are have stated that they intend to run for president? Either go with what we have or don’t go. Those are your options.
Why would any of them say they intend to run while an incumbent is on the ticket? If Biden steps aside, I think they’d all be open to it. Personally, I’m voting against trump, Dems could put Willow Biden in the race for all I care.
And considering the DNC locked Sanders out of winning primaries twice in a row, how are all the disenfranchised Democrat voters supposed to feel about…
The party choosing to ignore Biden’s advanced age and not letting the cat out of the bag until well after we could have run some primaries and let the voters decide.
We’re left with two options with a month and a half to the convention. Let the party apparatchiks choose the candidate, or let the delegates choose the candidate, both of which are inherently anti-democratic choices.
The DNC made these choices on purpose and are leaving voters without an actual choice on purpose. It is literally the party’s choices that have lead us to this moment, but somehow the party making another bad choice will fix things? I seriously doubt that.
Who, when chosen by the DNC for us, (not BY us) do you think will actually excite voters?
Michele Obama is the only one consistently beating Trump in polls. Not that I want Obama v2, but that’s where it stands currently.
Done properly, a replacement would get a big bump with the nomination, but that’s not much to count on.
Jon Stewart would probably wipe the floor with Trump if anyone can figure out how to draft him.
Jon Stewart would rather make jokes over a still image of Biden than step the fuck up.
I’ll vote for any D, no matter what, but Biden is a sure loser in the general. Independents are fucking mentally defective. You need a showman to win at the margins, where this idiotic election will be decided.
I can’t believe how many of you are so myopic as to think everything’s fine.
So, you’d vote for literally ANY Democrat, no matter WHAT, but you think it’s the independents who are mentally defective? You think anyone who ISN’T 100% committed to political party tribalism is defective? Well, I adamantly disagree. I think it’s the unquestioningly partisan voters who are the defective ones.
I get the whole tribalism bad thing but come on, man. How could any D be a worse choice than Trump?
They didn’t say they would vote for any D so long as they are better than Trump, they specifically said any D no matter what. There’s a big fucking difference.
I think it’s more along the lines of “I don’t want the other guy to win” so they’d vote for a carrot over the offered Republican, who they know what they stand for. They’d prefer a better Dem, but anything to stem the bleeding.
The mentally deficient ones are the ones that can’t seem to decide when the choices are obvious.
Again, you folks are ignoring a key part of what was written. They didn’t say they would vote for any D so long as the Ds can be considered a preferable choice by reasonable and informed people, they LITERALLY said “no matter what.” I sincerely hope you can see a difference.
There are currently no democratic politicians worse than trump, so it didn’t really need to be specified.
No one is ignoring anything. Well, except you, since you seem to need every bit of context spelled out for you before you can derive intended meaning from four sentences. Like fuck man, I don’t know how you get through the day with that level of incompetence.
I get through my days perfectly fine. Quite well, actually. I’m not the incompetent here. The person said that they would vote D no matter what, and that independents must be mentally deficient. The implication couldn’t be clearer: the Democratic party represents the correct, orthodox ideology, and thus they should be supported no matter what, the Republican party represents an incorrect, heterodox ideology, and any independent who doesn’t recognize that must be mentally deficient. To illustrate my point, simply imagine the same statement only with the D replaced with an R. The problem isn’t that some people adhere to wrong ideologies, the problem is ideology itself. Everyone should be an independent, instead of adhering rigidly to one ideology or another. That doesn’t mean all ideologies are equally harmful, and many, if not most, independents know that. In fact, I think many, if not most, independents recognize that Biden and the Democrats are the less harmful of the two options, which is why I think many, if not most, independents will vote for Biden in the general election. Many people are simply confusing independents’ criticisms and displeasure as a failure to recognize that the Democrats are the less harmful option.
As multiple people have already explained to you, in this instance, the Democratic candidate is the only realistic way forward. You are, stupidly, expanding that to all choices forever because, again, you can’t seem to pick up on context.
You know when a walk sign on a traffic light says “walk,” and then it changes to “don’t walk”? You don’t wander into traffic because it said walk ten seconds ago, right? The poster is trying to tell you not to walk into traffic. The next election cycle, they might say something else, because the situation may have changed. Stop reading things that aren’t there.
There was no indication the person was talking specifically about a certain instance, and there’s significant reason to believe their rhetoric is not context specific to the upcoming election alone, as this exact rhetoric has been used multiple times over multiple elections, and I have every reason to believe this exact rhetoric will continue to be used in future elections, even in elections that don’t involve Donald Trump.
My man. Why are you arguing with these Lemmy users? They are the same people from Reddit. This argument wouldn’t go down easily on Reddit and it won’t go down here on Lemmy. They live in their own world. Reality will hit them come November. I’ve been around actual people and they are all not feeling Biden. From professionals, businessmen, tradesmen to random people in Walmart and homies sitting at the corner. They’d rather vote Trump. They don’t give a fuck about convictions or the type of person he is.
Biden had 1 long-shot chance to bridge echo-chambers and show the country he can lead. To reach those undecided swing-state voters.
It’s why he took this debate. Because he was already losing them.
And he blew it to such a catastrophic level it’s not impacting congressional down-ballot races already.
Fun fact: Biden now shares the title of Ford, Carter, HW Bush, and Trump who were incumbent presidents who trailed in polls both before and after the first debate… All of whom lost reelection.
I’m voting against the bad man, but if you ever had any shred of belief that Dems respect your opinion, either this should kill it or your mind can’t be changed.
I don’t think an alternate candidate this late in the race is a good idea, and I wonder why you do?
Most countries don’t have 13 year election cycles. The UK just had an election in under two months. What makes you think it’s late? Americans, man.
Yo, how’s the queen.
surprisingly the prime minister and the Queen both have less power than the American President who is now immune from prosecution. you should give more advice about how to run a democracy
At least we have one. Kiss the ring, bitch.
Man child.
Sounds like someone needs to learn a few more insults.
