I feel like Stewart was directly voicing the concerns I’ve had over Biden for basically his entire term. He just doesn’t seem to get it that the fascists are playing for keeps.
I also like that he’s grounded in his suggestion of opening up the conversation, rather than immediately calling for Biden to step down. The DNC should’ve started poll testing alternates immediately after the debate. There needs to be an informed plan for an alternate. Calling for Biden to withdraw with a four month runway, without a more popular and independently funded candidate is reactionary and reckless.
The DNC should’ve started poll testing alternates immediately after the debate.
They should’ve done that after he got elected! Ppl campaign for president 2 years before the actually election. How is everyone thinking 4 months is enough?!
Honestly a short campaign could be beneficial, more enthusiasm less apathy and sick of them. Campaigns should be 4 months or less.
To be fair, the fascists make it very hard to take them seriously. I can see why an elderly lifelong politician doesn’t understand the threat. Most days I wake up and don’t understand how it’s come to this.
It’s pretty clear that Biden should’ve stepped down as soon as COVID ‘ended’ and he passed his big infrastructure/climate bill.
He’d have been a modern Cincinnatus, and would have given Harris the best opportunity to make her case to the voters.
Harris SUCKS and she would have lost worse than Hillary. She was always an awful VP which is part of our predicament.
If he chose an actual VP people wanted, it would have worked.
Harris has an even worse chance of winning considering no one wanted her in the primaries.
The video:
Jon Stewart Examines Biden’s Future Amidst Calls For Him to Drop Out https://youtu.be/S9LZXheHddI
Biden needs to fuck off. He’s going to lose us the Republic.
You see it. I see it. Jon Stewart sees it since forever.
The shills on Lemmy and other places like gaslighting. A lot.
Honestly, I hate the situation, but I haven’t heard any compelling arguments for alternatives.
By compelling, I don’t mean appealing. I’d love for any number of other candidates to just swap in. But because the U.S. got “Weekend at Bernie’d”, and primaries were held (with no realistic opposition candidates), or cancelled in the case of Florida and Delaware, and the dates for holding a primary have passed in every state, I just… don’t see how another candidate can be swapped in.*
And I know that John Stewart specifically called out other nations who were able to call entire elections within a few months, but the U.S. electoral system just doesn’t ‘do’ that. The focus on states rights means that every state has its own laws that are fairly rigid and cannot be overridden by the federal government. And even if the states could be overridden - well, I guess I don’t know if it’s possible for the federal government to do that.
I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of that suggestion as being even a remote possibility. I’m left with the belief that it is not legally permissible.In fact - the Heritage Foundation said they would mount legal challenges to prevent this from occurring - but only in certain states. It’s very likely those challenges could not be resolved before the election, which would lead to at least two Democratic Party candidates, and certain defeat for both of them. The only way that Biden could drop out is if the states that have laws prohibiting candidate changes repeal or modify them, and that itself might be the subject of lawsuits.
*The only way I see for Biden to drop out and not ensure certain defeat is to die. That’s the only path I can think of that’s workable.
If I truly believe that Trump will end democracy and I must do everything I can to prevent his election - even if it compromises my better judgment and morals, and I know that Biden will not use the powers he was just granted to ensure that Trump is brought to justice before he can assume dictatorial powers, then… well, what’s the option but to be a shill? That’s not a rhetorical question. I legitimately feel trapped and hopeless by this shitty system, and I cannot see a way out.
I feel like I’m damned if I do, and damned if I don’t.Well said.
I get Jon Stewart’s position and agree with nearly all of his criticisms, but I think the biggest thing he’s not acknowledging in his “why can France and the UK do this but we can’t?” argument is that this would absolutely not be confined to just the Democratic Party. Literally every step of the process would be decried as election fraud, cheating, “the steal of the century” etc. by republicans. If they got pissed enough to attempt an insurrection in 2020 when there was absolutely no credible evidence of fraud, just think where things will go if there’s this whole slew of unprecedented last-minute decisions that are nearly impossible to reconcile with every individual states’ laws. I’m not saying we have to bow to repubs demands, but the more excuses they have to claim anything isn’t above board, the greater the risk that the “stolen election” narrative gains traction beyond the far right.
We’ve spent the last 4 years witnessing how slowly our legal system works on huge matters like this. By the time the dust settles on all of the legal challenges, the resulting chaos will have already rendered the decisions nearly irrelevant.
They have zero say in Democratic party policies and decisions. You guys are so conditioned to think Republicans are unstoppable political juggernauts you proactively give them power to define your actions. It doesn’t matter if they claim it’s a fraud, it’s not their party and the Democratic voters most distrustful of the Democratic party don’t like Biden in the first place.
Some states have laws about electors voting for the candidate they were elected to represent, but they can be released from that requirement by the candidate. Some have voting round limits, which can just be bypassed with perfunctory votes without a majority. And if there are some laws that can’t be bypassed, they can just officially vote for Joe Biden while expressing their actual preference publicly. The party can very easily work around the state laws to achieve an equivalent result.
IMHO, calling people shills is just going to make people defensive and not listen to reasonable arguments.
Yes yes the people on lemmy who disagree with you are the real powers behind the decision on whether he drops out or not
I have a feeling the DNC shills we’ve been seeing so much of are actually part of a DNC campaign. Creating a Lemmy account is free and they could easily contract a company to astroturf as has been done in the past.
When politicians and their families taste power they can’t let it go.
Biden’s chances of winning are something like 95%. The most accurate and seasoned model for predicting the election has him winning (it’s a boolean) and it was only wrong once, which was when Bush got a controversial ruling in his favor by the Supreme Court, which knocks its accuracy down to ~95% instead of 100%.
Also consider: Trump already lost to Biden, Trump’s popularity has contracted since then, 538 puts Biden 2% above where he was before the debate, all of the polls that put Biden and Trump neck-and-neck also show 18-25 YOs overwhelmingly voting for Trump, Dems win with higher voter turnout, the recent controversy with the Supreme Court is looking to drive people to the polls in record numbers, and people are currently looking up “Project 2025” more than Taylor Swift and the NFL combined (it’s probably going to be searched more than Taylor Swift at her peak, if you look at the growth curve).
So why, exactly, are you making this claim? 🤨
Edit: y’all’re doomers who hate facts.
Because I have eyes, ears, and more than like 3 functioning neurons.
Nice source, btw.
You’re criticizing me for not having a source when you didn’t even put forth an argument. You just said a thing you assumed was true without anything backing it up. Also, almost everything I stated was a well-known fact.
It’s on you to produce this mysterious model, not on me to believe in bullshit over empirical observation. Kindly fuck off.
Biden is open game until the convention. After that it is time to circle the wagons.
Huh.
^huh!
thank you Jon Stewart please come to my house
Horniest Lemmy user
You sure? There’s some VERY stiff competition, pun intended.
Biden should resign and let the VP take over. It’s why he picked her. The man just introduced Zelensky as “President Putin”. Good grief. His handler should be charged with elderly abuse.
I hate Kamala, but I agree. He’s not fit to be president. It’s high time to pass it off to the VP. That’s how the system is intended to work.
This thread has steered so deeply into surrealism i can’t even understand what sides you bots are taking.
These threads are great at baiting the .ml tankies out so I can block them. It’d be nice if server blocks also blocked all their members, but Tank traps like this’ll have to do for now
So you can remain in an echo chamber?
blocking fascists and fascists wearing the skin of the lefties they killed is not creating an echo chamber
Wtf is a tankie in this case and how would this article attract them? Someone who doesn’t like Biden? Because there are tons of leftist reasons to not like Biden and it’s good to know them. Avoiding criticism of their dear leader and staying in echo chambers is how liberals wound up in this current predicament.
Wtf is a tankie in this case
Anyone to the left of Netanyahu.
I didn’t need shit. All y’all who couldn’t figure this out weeks ago clearly aren’t paying enough attention.
I don’t know why Biden voters don’t listen to non-Biden voters… over and over and over people have been pointing out his mental decline. But nope, they’re just all Biden hating trolls. But NOW, NOW… he has failing mental faculties. I don’t understand how people are entered into the Matrix. Does this happen during childhood / youth? It’s mind boggling. And no Republicans aren’t safe from the Matrix, they’re in the same fkin simulation as the left but on the opposite side.
Who cares how bad/lost Biden is at debates or interviews. That is not what he will be doing as president. He will be discussing policy with advisors in meeting where further discussion where rewrites are made with further discussions and more rewrites.
Stewart spent almost no time at all on the treasonous acts of the other candidate like pushing for fake electors and attempting to subvert the peaceful transfer of power. The guy mumbling through an interview was funnier to talk about while the treasonous guy is just too boring cause we already talked about the treasonous stuff…gahh
Look, this is what I would say to people who asked “who cares if Trump is an unprofessional ass?” The president represents all of us on the world stage. He’s the one American most of the world knows. It IS ALSO the president’s job to go and speak with anyone we need him to, to represent us faithfully as the most polished representation of the American people. If Biden can’t communicate, if he’s just going to mumble at other dead leaders at G7, then he literally can’t do the job.
Trump’s unprofessionalism and Biden’s mumbling are the least important things about those candidates. One has willfully tried to destroy democracy while the other has led the most liberal and progressive administration in U.S. history.
One has tried to destroy democracy and the other will just give up the democracy for the first one to destroy and won’t fight for it.
To be clear, the best thing to do is to vote for a democrat in the election, but it would be much better if said democrat isn’t Biden
It might be better, but if he’s telling the truth about how he isn’t going to drop out, then we need to actually rally behind him to help get more independent votes, not constantly talk shit about how awful he is endlessly until the election.
If it’s the only option, then the democracy is already dead and voting for Biden is pointless. Democracy entails that the government represents the will of the people. And you’re suggesting that because some old fart decided to cling to power, everyone should stop demanding that their will is represented and start kissing that old fart’s ass. “That’s the only person you can vote for to preserve democracy” is a self-defeating statement…
More liberal and progressive than FDR? Interesting.
FDR ordered men in to have sex with sailors in order to entrap and expose the sailors and arrest them for homosexual behaviors and ruin their lives while he was Assistant Secretary of the Navy. He slowly changed his mind about homosexuality through his years in office but only because he has personal experience with it with Eleanor. It’s almost impossible for anyone of that time to be a progressive as we are today. They would be considered staunch conservatives today.
Bringing up his actions in a different job doesn’t really seem to have bearing on comparing administrations. Biden has a pretty bad history prior to his presidency as well.
But also, and more importantly, judging progressiveness just by final results, without referent to the era, is not useful. By this logic, the Biden administration could literally be rolling back progress, and as long as they don’t go too far, we’d still have to call them “more progressive than FDR”. The only useful way to judge progressiveness is as progress made - or at least progress worked for - from the starting baseline.
I think it’s reasonable to say Biden has had the most progressive administration since LBJ. I was really surprised by how good he’s been, relative to my expectations.
To be fair, the second half of his argument addressed why he thought it was important to focus on Biden, and not Trump for that segment.
I like Jon Stewart. I usually agree with him.
Today he’s part of the problem. I don’t want to be in the position where we talk about losing an election to 'both-sides-ism" and “but his stammer”, because the part where we say “I told you if you prevented people from voting to preserve democracy we’d lose it” is a really poor consolation prize. Get back to slamming sleepy joe once this thing’s over, okay? #binaryChoice
The problem is that most of the people calling for 46 to step asside dont propose a replacement. Its a destructive request to remove something without a plan or proposal to replace it. Stewarts proposal to have a convention have it decide on someone and have them square off against joe is so far the only constructive suggestion anyone with a platform has made thus far.
Shitting the bed without a path forward isn’t clever. It’s just petty whining.
Calling your own voters bed-shitters, bed-wetters, whiners, etc. isn’t helping
Neither is calling the president an ineloquent loser without having an alternative. So stop acting like complaining is the answer.
You want to replace Biden? Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump or realize that Biden is the best we’re gonna get before November and deal with it.
But enough with the bitching and moaning.
Or how about listen to your voter base? Biden was looked at as a stand in after his first win. Ppl were not happy to vote for him twice. The DNC had 4 years to look for a viable replacement. Instead of acting like they can decide for us the DNC should of exercised potential replacements. It’s what got us Hilary even though she was wildly unpopular and clearly democrats learned fuck all since her campaign.
The DNC think they’re king makers in a democracy they claim they want to preserve. And yes I’m voting for anyone over Trump but the DNC should’ve not pushed their pick and let the primaries play out like the democracy its suppose to be
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I’ve heard the same shit for years.
I’ll hear it in 4 more years when instead of actually giving us healthcare we are sending billions for Israel to kill Palestinian children and that generic republican president will make a full dictatorship day 1 and the whole country is doomed and blah blah blah.
Get a new script
I’ve heard the same shit for years.
Specifically every election year since 1992 if not longer
I’ll hear it in 4 more years
The good news is you won’t.
The bad news is that you won’t because the DNC will have finally pissed away democracy with their insistence that every election is 1992 and their preferred candidates are all Bill Clinton.
You lost the primary.
There wasn’t one. It was an utter sham and is one of the things people are frustrated about.
Quit your fucking bitching!
No. People are allowed to voice their frustrations with a geriatric who has proven he’s as arrogant as trump. Until facism takes over America, it is literally a right for people to bitch about their leaders. And yes. Biden outright proved he’s as arrogant as Trump when during an interview he answer the question “If you stay on and don’t give the reigns to someone else and you lose the election to Donald Trump, how will you feel?” and Biden said he’d feel great as long as he did his best because that’s what counts. Either he’s lost his mind or he’s an arrogant douchebag. It is not just appropriate but required to talk about how he is unfit for the job.
This is ridiculous.
Edit: I went and grabbed the exact quote I was thinking of that proves Biden is putting himself before the country.
G. Stephanopoulos - If you stay in and Trump is elected and everything you’re warning about comes to pass, how will you feel in January?
J. Biden - I feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the goodest job I know I can do that’s what this is about
NO THE FUCK IT ISN’T JOE.
This is about the future of DEMOCRACY. You just watched the Supreme Court appoint you a king and are like “Yeah but I gotta do the goodest job I know I can do” in a quote that sounds Trump-level failure on grasping the English language? Fuck off. Get the hell out of the way and let someone step in who knows what the fuck they’re doing and is someone people can rally around.
Either he’s lost his mind or he’s an arrogant douchebag
calling the president […] ineloquent
He obviously demonstrably is
without having an alternative
Are you calling Joe “there’s 50 other Democrats who could beat Trump” Biden a liar? You gotta be, since you’re denying that he’s ineloquent.
stop acting like complaining is the answer.
I must have missed that part of the first amendment. Is it next to the part about a constitutional right to redress of grievances?
You want to replace Biden?
Yes, please.
Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump
Not our job. I bet you’re one of those people who tell anyone who doesn’t like your favorite music act to “make a better album yourself or shut up”.
You think that’s a good point, but it’s not. In fact, it’s every bit as asinine as any argument for voting for the Mango Mussolini.
Biden is the best we’re gonna get
Since the US democracy isn’t very good at listening to the people in general rather than only those with the most money and power, you’re probably right for the first time in your impassioned defense of settling for awful.
enough with the bitching and moaning.
You say at the end of a rant bitching and moaning about people rightly being wary of having to choose between having a severely impaired president or not having a democracy at all.
Be better. Demand more of the people who are supposed to represent your interests.
Tripping over a few words during the debate isn’t “severely impaired”. And if you have to lie to make your point, you don’t have much of a point.
Tripping over a few words during the debate isn’t “severely impaired
And also NOWHERE near the extent of it. Did you even watch the clip before declaring your disappointment in the guy trying to warn you that there’s trouble ahead?
And if you have to lie to make your point, you don’t have much of a point.
More inane projection 🙄
I watched the whole debate. And declaring “nuh-uh!” isn’t a counter argument, it’s copium.
I watched the whole debate
Congratulations on your bias shielding you from fully comprehending the extent of his sundowning, I guess?
I didn’t mean only the debate, though. There’s been a LOT of “what is the most powerful human in the world trying to say??” moments both before and after that specific debacle.
declaring “nuh-uh!” isn’t a counter argument
Lucky for me that there wasn’t an argument to counter, then, just you screeching “YOU LIE!” a propos of nothing.
it’s copium
Again with the projection lol
You watched the whole debate and your internal alarm wasn’t BLARING @EleventhHour?
Are you that disillusioned or dulled from politics that whatever *that* was on stage was okay and acceptable to you?
I will vote for Biden because I don’t want to vote for literally Hitler but holy shit.
WE BEAT MEDICARE.
There are many alternatives. He is ineloquent. I don’t want to deal with a confused old man at death’s door signing up for four more years. He should be replaced.
We are not at the stage where you say ‘alternatives’, but are instead at the stage where you need to start listing specific names.
The best candidates (the various governors) don’t seem to be jumping on board. Kamala looks risky politically but on technicalities she might have access to Bidens donations since she’s the running mate.
Is there any other alternative you want to bring up?
Neither is calling the president an ineloquent loser without having an alternative.
Yes, the emperor has the finest clothes.
Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump
Want a list of names to dismiss?
lol, wtf are you even talking about?
Nah I’m going to go ahead and keep up the bitching and moaning because it is the only halfway decent chance I have at getting a president who actually cares about the things I do
Neither is calling the president an ineloquent loser without having an alternative. So stop acting like complaining is the answer.
Complaining is the answer. Biden shouldn’t have ran in the first place, his Cabinet should have threatened to 25th Amendment him if he decided to run again. He’s going through dementia. And most importantly he’s loosing in the polls especially so in 6 out of the 7 swing states. And voters considering Biden state that his age and competence is their #1 reservation keeping them from voting for him. RFK has nearly 10% in some places a couple of percentage points from himeams that he’ll beat Trump amd what he needs to do is adress his obvious shortcomings.
But unless rank and file Democrats complain, nothing will change. They didn’t complain enough before the faux-primary and now they need to complain even more now.
You want to replace Biden? Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump or realize that Biden is the best we’re gonna get before November and deal with it.
Harris, Butttiget, Booker, Whitmer and one other person whose name I can’t recall at this time were polling withing 2 points of Biden’s clip last week. According to this poll Harris polling ahead of Biden and beating Trump nationally in polling. While I’m not sold on a Harris Presidency because of her very poor record; I think she’s in the best position to take over.
The path forward Biden is offering:
Get a orange spray tan.
Start talking about how unfair the media is to him.
Attack members of his own party who dare to question him.
Things that make you go hmm… 🤔
In the George Stephanopoulos interview he looked pretty orange. And he’s been talking a lot like trump lately.
