Nearly two-thirds of Democrats say President Joe Biden should withdraw from the presidential race and let his party nominate a different candidate, according to a new poll, sharply undercutting his post-debate claim that “average Democrats” are still with him even if some “big names” are turning on him.

The new survey by the AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, conducted as Biden works to salvage his candidacy two weeks after his debate flop, also found that only about 3 in 10 Democrats are extremely or very confident that he has the mental capability to serve effectively as president, down slightly from 40% in an AP-NORC poll in February.

The findings underscore the challenges the 81-year-old president faces as he tries to silence calls from within his own party to leave the race and tries to convince Democrats that he’s the best candidate to defeat Donald Trump. The poll was conducted mostly before Saturday’s assassination attempt on Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania. It’s unclear whether the shooting influenced people’s views of Biden, but the small number of poll interviews completed after the shooting provided no early indication that his prospects improved.

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    No they don’t.

    They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else.

    Don’t get me wrong, biden’s administration has done amazing work. We are just so focused on the stupid horse race that we’re not actually picking a leader.

    The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn’t a raging narcissist. He has surrounded himself with competent people who are quietly doing a great job of running the government.

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      They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else

      Nope.

      We wanted fair and open primaries were progressive leaning states didn’t have their delegates stolen and every state gets a chance to vote before it’s over rather than 4-5 states handpicked by the DNC because they vote moderate.

      That increases turnout in the general.

      What happened was undemocratic and depresses turnout helping Republicans

      The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn’t a raging narcissist

      If Biden wasn’t a narcissist he’d put the safety of the country over his own ambition to stay in the White House after it took 36 years to get the big chair.

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        Biden implemented many progressive ideas, this is why “left” media (owned by billionaires) are actually attacking him.

        Even Bernie is for not replacing him.

        The whole campaign to replace him feels very astroturfed and is based on the first debate ignoring everything else.

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          The whole campaign to replace him feels very astroturfed and is based on the first debate ignoring everything else.

          I wouldn’t say it’s astroturfed when people like Adam Schiff are calling on Biden to step aside. I also wouldn’t say it’s just about the debate as Biden has met with people in congress to try and persuade them that he’s the guy and they’ve come away less than impressed after those meetings.

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            That’s how astroturfing works though. You create false narrative like everyone thinks that until people join through a bandwagon effect.

            I was watching the debate and my takeaway was it was a horrible debate, moderators did a horrible job, trump was energetic but was just rambling (especially in the 2nd half), and completely ignored questions asked. Biden was anemic, made some blunders, but at least made sense.

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              By your definition pretty much everything could be described as astroturfing. I also don’t think it’s accurate to describe this as a “false narrative” either, you’re into “don’t believe your lying eyes” territory.

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                Not everything, astroturfing is creating a fake grassroot movement. This was purely manufactured by media (including left leaning ones) whose owners fear Biden pro middle class policies. They know that Biden doesn’t have anything to lose when implementing them like for example tax increases for people making $400,000+. Other, younger candidates are more likely to be more mendable.

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                  I think you’re gaslighting a little. Why try and tell people their impression of Biden’s debate performance and NATO press conference isn’t genuine and instead is “purely manufactured by media”?

                  That’s just not accurate. I know what I saw.

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                    I know what I saw and was surprised by the media coverage, because that was not my impression. I even remember early polls for example one showing that actually he got a good response among Spanish voters.

                    It also shows this was manufactured as the media completely ignored (very anticipated, as it supposed to unmask “democratic pedophiles”) Epstein files.

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          Biden implemented many progressive ideas

          Many?

          How about top 3 that Biden did?

          Not just legislation that he signed, three things that we got because Biden has the big desk and not literally anyone else with a D by their name.

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              Nope, because most of that is legislation Biden has taken credit for.

              How about top 3 that Biden did?

              Not just legislation that he signed, three things that we got because Biden has the big desk and not literally anyone else with a D by their name.

              If you can find 3 things on that list let me know

              If not, you just proved my point, that everything on that list would have happened if it was another Dem in office.

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                Yeah, I didn’t point it out earlier, but you were already changing goalposts in the prior response.

                President is not just signing bills, but also leading Democrats, and negotiates with Republicans to get bills passed. How do you think the bill to help Ukraine passed in April? Johnson just had a change of heart out of nowhere

                This is why trump accomplished very little legislatively, he basically doesn’t know about making compromises.

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                  President is not just signing bills, but also leading Democrats negotiated with Republicans to get bills passed

                  Expect Biden said publicly and repeatedly that even changing a Dems mind would be impossible so trying would be a waste of effort…

                  Do you disagree with Biden on that?

                  If so, why do you still want him as president when he thinks your reason for why it should be him is not his job?

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                    Huh?

                    Because he maybe did bad in the first debate (because apparently looking more energetic is more important than actually making sense), but his administration does an excellent governing job.

                    We already know how he is governing, what his foreign policy is.

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      We are just so focused on the stupid horse race that we’re not actually picking a leader.

      This ‘stupid horse race’ is all that stands between us and four more years of Trump

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      I don’t want him or Harris, but I’d still vote “for” him even if he were in hospice simply because he’s not the fascist candidate who wants to completely dismantle democracy.