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            And then Harris doesn’t get elected because AIPAC dumps a metric fuckload of cash into Trumps campaign.

            Look dude, I fucking hate it too, but you consistently (as in, in every post I’ve seen you make on this topic) ignore the context in a very obviously willful manner. In the system as it stands now, money plays a disgustingly HUGE role in US politics. Pretending it’s not is a recipe for letting Trump win, at which point he will shortly dispatch a squadron of B-52s to carpet bomb Gaza and the West Bank into Graceland (edit: lol what the fuck autocorrect) gravel and start construction on the new Trump Tower Gaza. So like, you know, maybe pull your head out of your ass and try to understand that there’s at least a little bit of nuance to the situation. It is horrible in a humanitarian sense that we have to account for that risk in this way, but it’s going to be far worse if we don’t.

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              And then Harris doesn’t get elected because AIPAC dumps a metric fuckload of cash into Trumps campaign.

              So the Democratic Party is AIPAC’s party and we no longer have a representative democracy in this country.

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                  Didn’t say they weren’t. Thing is, that means that our only two options serve the interests of a man who is committing genocide to keep himself in power, and prioritize those interests over ours.

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                    They serve his interests for now.

                    I’m low key cautiously optimistic that Harris is going to start shifting away from just giving Israel shitloads of bombs. She knows it’s a bad look, and she knows a lot of her supporters are pretty fucking pissed at Biden over his handling of the situation. She has a chance, once she takes office, to make a meaningful change to policy in that area, and I hope she does.

                    I think that may be why AIPAC is being so bold in this election cycle: they can see the writing on the wall, and they know they’ve pissed off a significant portion of one entire side of our political establishment… and the other side - the one that doesn’t mind that they’re carpet-bombing brown people - has neo-Nazis in it. So that’s a bit of a quandary they’ve put themselves in. It’s really incredible, in a geopolitical sense (because it’s not just America in which this shift is happening), because they’ve basically just thrown the vast majority of international sympathy and goodwill they previously had onto a bonfire and lit the fucker up.

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            Or else what?

            That’s where you guys always trip up. What’s the next step to these threats?

            The only party who hasn’t supported and signed on to the ceasefire agreements is Israel. Go protest over there ffs.

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          Yes, Democrats in congress.

          https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/politics/senate-vote-israel-ukraine-aid-dg/index.html

          The funding passed with the support of 46 Democrats, 31 Republicans and 2 independents, following hours of speeches by senators. Two Democrats, 15 Republicans and one independent opposed it. Three GOP senators — Rand Paul of Kentucky, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Tommy Tuberville of Alabama — didn’t vote.

          Edit: is this secretly a DNC/Blue Maga community or something lmfao

          It’s an objective fact that the Democrats are heavily in favour of continuing the Israeli genocide.

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            The only reason those shitstain Republican Senators voted no was because they knew it would pass without their support and so they could point fingers and say “DERMERCREATS WAR!”. They’re all equally complicit. I’m all for protests for Gaza, but saying the Democrats have anything more to do with it than Republicans is bald faced propaganda and you should be ashamed of yourself.

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              The only reason those shitstain Republican Senators voted no was because they knew it would pass without their support and so they could point fingers and say “DERMERCREATS WAR!”.

              And how does this excuse the Democrats for voting yes in support of funding genocide? They could have all voted no and called it the Republican war, right?

              They’re all equally complicit. I’m all for protests for Gaza, but saying the Democrats have anything more to do with it than Republicans

              I agree and I never said that the Democrats were more culpable, just that they are culpable.

              Anywhere you find a big group of at least quasi intelligent people discussing things you’ll find that the Republicans aren’t a popular group

              Except I never defended the Republicans. I stated an objective fact that the Democrats are funding the genocide.

              Since when is being anti-genocide a Republican stance, as you said above, they are just as culpable.

              But Blue MAGA says if you aren’t an unquestioning supporter of whatever Dems do, even if it’s genocide, then you are an evil outsider.

              Edit: also I’m pretty sure those Republicans voted no more because of the part that would go to Ukraine. They gladly support the genocide publicly and don’t try to paint it as a democrat project afaik.