• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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            And then Harris doesn’t get elected because AIPAC dumps a metric fuckload of cash into Trumps campaign.

            Look dude, I fucking hate it too, but you consistently (as in, in every post I’ve seen you make on this topic) ignore the context in a very obviously willful manner. In the system as it stands now, money plays a disgustingly HUGE role in US politics. Pretending it’s not is a recipe for letting Trump win, at which point he will shortly dispatch a squadron of B-52s to carpet bomb Gaza and the West Bank into Graceland (edit: lol what the fuck autocorrect) gravel and start construction on the new Trump Tower Gaza. So like, you know, maybe pull your head out of your ass and try to understand that there’s at least a little bit of nuance to the situation. It is horrible in a humanitarian sense that we have to account for that risk in this way, but it’s going to be far worse if we don’t.

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              And then Harris doesn’t get elected because AIPAC dumps a metric fuckload of cash into Trumps campaign.

              So the Democratic Party is AIPAC’s party and we no longer have a representative democracy in this country.

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                  Didn’t say they weren’t. Thing is, that means that our only two options serve the interests of a man who is committing genocide to keep himself in power, and prioritize those interests over ours.

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            Or else what?

            That’s where you guys always trip up. What’s the next step to these threats?

            The only party who hasn’t supported and signed on to the ceasefire agreements is Israel. Go protest over there ffs.

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          Yes, Democrats in congress.

          https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/politics/senate-vote-israel-ukraine-aid-dg/index.html

          The funding passed with the support of 46 Democrats, 31 Republicans and 2 independents, following hours of speeches by senators. Two Democrats, 15 Republicans and one independent opposed it. Three GOP senators — Rand Paul of Kentucky, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Tommy Tuberville of Alabama — didn’t vote.

          Edit: is this secretly a DNC/Blue Maga community or something lmfao

          It’s an objective fact that the Democrats are heavily in favour of continuing the Israeli genocide.

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            The only reason those shitstain Republican Senators voted no was because they knew it would pass without their support and so they could point fingers and say “DERMERCREATS WAR!”. They’re all equally complicit. I’m all for protests for Gaza, but saying the Democrats have anything more to do with it than Republicans is bald faced propaganda and you should be ashamed of yourself.

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              The only reason those shitstain Republican Senators voted no was because they knew it would pass without their support and so they could point fingers and say “DERMERCREATS WAR!”.

              And how does this excuse the Democrats for voting yes in support of funding genocide? They could have all voted no and called it the Republican war, right?

              They’re all equally complicit. I’m all for protests for Gaza, but saying the Democrats have anything more to do with it than Republicans

              I agree and I never said that the Democrats were more culpable, just that they are culpable.

              Anywhere you find a big group of at least quasi intelligent people discussing things you’ll find that the Republicans aren’t a popular group

              Except I never defended the Republicans. I stated an objective fact that the Democrats are funding the genocide.

              Since when is being anti-genocide a Republican stance, as you said above, they are just as culpable.

              But Blue MAGA says if you aren’t an unquestioning supporter of whatever Dems do, even if it’s genocide, then you are an evil outsider.

              Edit: also I’m pretty sure those Republicans voted no more because of the part that would go to Ukraine. They gladly support the genocide publicly and don’t try to paint it as a democrat project afaik.

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    are they ready to put viable third party on a ballot? Right now labeling Democrats as War party says nothing. BOTH patties are War parties. Difference is Democrats somewhat care about what people say whereas Republicans care o ly about their agenda. Sending voters away from Democrats at this stage will not end war or help anyone. It is clear that Israel has enough influence over both major US parties and weapon shipments will continue. Politics is cruel: Democrats surely did the math and calculated how much will they lose on dropping Israel support from agenda. They also know Republicans will steamroll over protests and supply the same or larger amount of weaponry to Israel. So it’s a cynical math but just like Ukraine was earlier hostage to US politics Palestine now is at mercy of US election cycle and has to wait until after election when, if elected; Democrats can afford to piss of pro-Israeli groups. Republicans started that game, Dems are carrying it on. I’m also surprised that middle east cannot outspend Israel in US lobbying on behalf of Palestine. There are some of the richest countries in the world in that area. People should not die. Period. But politicians care about election cycles more. 🙁

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      Oh you’re the guy that doesn’t understand dual citizenship (you called me out in a previous thread) . I can’t stand 2ozma either so have an angry upvote.

      To be clear : I just don’t like being called a liar. My mom is American, I grew up in Italy.

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        I remember you. I understand dual citizenship just fine. You didn’t bring it up until after i pointed out an inconsistency in your story. Not saying i don’t believe you, it was just hard to believe that “American gun culture” was some kinda surprise to you, if you had been immersed in it.

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          Thank you. That does make sense as I didn’t state it at the outset. I also understand that thread was a little heated and maybe I came off as a little confrontational. It seems every time he-who-shall-not-be-named is mentioned people lose their minds (and I understand why).

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            Hey everyone, check out these grown ups resolving their misunderstanding with reason and emotional maturity

            ETA: teasing but sincerely found it wholesome, in case that wasn’t clear

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      Meanwhile, I’m on the frontpage daily and one of the users that creates top engagement for Lemmy.

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            Having a self admitted slant does. The only real changes I’ve noticed in how you post is you throw up chaff posts to obfuscate your intentions. I ain’t buying it.

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              I’ve said many times already I hate the GOP and I hate the Dems. US politics is corporate owned.

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                  They’re a self admitted tech bro living in LA and they make 6 figures. They don’t care about actual poor people living in worse areas, cuz their privileged ass will be fine smh

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        You absolutely don’t create engagement.

        Frankly, you poison every fucking thread with simplistic takes accusing everyone of being genocidal until the word is now meaningless coming from you.

        You make conversation impossible by flooding the zone with “fisher-price-my-first-politik” level of thinking that always dead ends with “well I don’t support gEnOcIdE!” Like you’ve actually made a point.

        You’re on the front page because of your spam rate not your content. This shit is a cancer on lemmy.

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    for those who will moan “BUT BABY STEPS!” and “PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION!” at the end of the article is a snippet about Bill Ayers

    When we come back, we look back at the 1968 DNC, when police violently attacked protesters who were calling for an end to the war in Vietnam. We’ll be joined by longtime Chicago activist Bill Ayers, who was arrested then as a member of Students for a Democratic Society, and our own Juan González, in the streets in 1968 here in Chicago, where he now lives. Stay with us.

    that is fifty six years people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

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        no but one of the people who protested against the war in Vietnam are protesting again at the same place in Chicago

        their story is continued at the bottom of the article

        basically protesting for the same things they did back then because neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have done anything to change the current narrative we are living in