• Allero@lemmy.today
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    The scariest part is that real world is, in fact, a hardcore free-for-all PvP realm.

    I’m not talking competition or something. A random person can absolutely come to you at any time, stab or shoot you and you’ll be dead. Forever. No respawns.

    It’s only because people don’t really like being murdered that led them to make and enforce rules on what violence is legitimate that curbed the violence. But even still, anytime, anywhere, by anyone, you can absolutely be killed. And if one day something breaks in the chain that makes police work, we’re super screwed.

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      It’s not the police that keep us from killing each other, or even laws that do so. Check out law and authority sometime if you’re able. It’s very short and worth a read. We don’t kill each other because we don’t enjoy being killed or killing. We’re social creatures, and don’t want to be shunned. Crimes of passion don’t really change based on laws, but the way we organize society may actually be increasing the number of murders, because some people are desperate enough to kill for food or shelter

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        I read half of it. It seems to overidealize the pre-law era to a large degree. Before law we had mass slavery, constant raiding of nearby tribes and nothing to prevent anybody from taking everything from a person. There is definitely a case where laws can become draconian and force people to break them but I’d argue that in most countries law prevent more unwanted behavior than cause it.

        This especially doesn’t apply in modern times since you just need one person to create a private mercenary group to essentially create a mini kingdom within a loosely organised society. That person will very quickly be able to form a successful dictatorship by raiding, enslaving and demanding tribute from nearby settlements.

        Even a laissez faire government with everything legal except violence will essentially make it legal to dump toxic waste on your front lawn everywhere without policing and laws. Toxic waste is currently being dumped with laws just under woefully loose law and I’d argue that we need more laws and regulation to prevent people from doing so.

        I feel like anarchist theory quickly forgets that we had anarchy before law and people quickly formed kingdoms around settlements to defend themselves and aggressive kingdoms where more successful than passive ones.

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          Anarchism just won’t work lol. People will band together, larger groups would survive and whoops! It’s countries all over again

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            Anarchism is a lot of work negotiating, setting standards and consequences, balancing forces. Constant politics without an overarching state. Any concentration of capability for violence or resource to be shared must be extremely carefully handled.

            What you are describing is warlords filling a political vacuum caused by chaos.

            Someone has been misrepresenting anarchism to you.

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              I think the point he’s making is that anarchism is one big power vacuum and those are usually filled with warlords and power brokers. Anarchism can still exist within a state such as Christiania in Denmark and from what I’ve heard it works pretty well.

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                It does seem like a power vacuum if you are fully convinced that power needs to be centralized.

                I am reminding the thread that the absence of distributed power is chaos, not anarchism.

                Anarchism is anything BUT a power vacuum. All the power is carefully doled out via negotiation and in no way lacking.

                Strong propaganda is devoted to supporting your presumption that power only exists when concentrated, so it does feel natural and common sense to say that.

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      And if one day something breaks in the chain that makes police work, we’re super screwed.

      Sad USA noises

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      Not only can they PK, they can cripple you for life. You can be completely fucked way worse than ‘just’ dying.

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          I can think of two different ways:

          • going insane and dissociating from reality
          • getting ultra rich, or being born in ultra rich family
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          They happen, but a plurality on the server has to agree to the change.

          That’s why the power gamers have invested so heavily in all the in game ads saying how creative mode will be awful and PvP is vital to the generation of new content.

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              Christ, I’m an old head but I remember way back in the day when people would spend weeks on message boards arguing over the optimal design spec for MMO economies.

              The first time I heard the “wheat domesticated people” hypothesis now popularized in the book “Against the Grain” was on a forum for Asheron’s Call. Also, a bunch of long form research about how agricultural practices impacted social development (wheat giving birth to libertarian yeomen farmers while rice encouraged people to collectivize as a matter of agricultural necessity).

              None of it mattered to the MMO producers, since it all they cared about was farming the player base. But it was a fun time to be a college kid with a direct line to software developers.

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    you know how people in Minecraft build all kinds of wonderful and amazing things such as machinery and art and games and all kinds of shit?
    that’s what life would be like if we didn’t have to work to survive.

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      that’s what life would be like if we didn’t have to work to survive

      Which mustn’t be an issue. Most advanced nations produce a surplus of food for example. So much, that an insane amount of it is wasted and never consumed.

      So in principle, sure. Some work is necessary to allow a certain quality of life for all and ensure survival. But if you think about our fucked up wealth distribution, it does not need to be so hard.

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      You have to work to survive in Minecraft, too. Which is to say, all those wonderful things are the product of human labor.

      But in Minecraft, you get to enjoy the surplus of that labor. You don’t have a handful of Whale players draining your reserves with extortionary rents.