Image text: “Fact: 90% of Linux users switch back to windows right before all their problems are about to be fixed”
I don’t have problems in linux
I am the problem in linux
Linux pros: You have control over everything Linux cons: You have control over everything
That’s why immutable distros will bring more Linux users in the future.
Are we talking something like NixOS?
NixOS is semi-immutable but not really designed to be user friendly. I think we are more talking about Universal Blue, Fedora SilberBlur, OpenSUSE microOS, VanillaOS and so on.
Tbh I’m pretty new to nixos, but I’m starting to believe if we had that the exact same config (at least without flakes, I’m still having trouble undertanding them) but with a slightly abstracted UI, it would be one of the most user-friendly distros out there.
Like just imagine being able to click “Add program”, write the name of a program, having all the options appear below as dropdown menus or on/off switches, then click big blue button “Apply” to rebuild.
*mint (nothing else)
-windows 11 user
Mint is not immutable.
sinde when did linux have to make tables immune?
This is true, I wanted to play a game and it looked broken in Linux. When I went back to Windows I discovered that it was a problem with the game. Then I went back to Linux and it ran better than it did in Windows.
Typical Ubisoft experience.
Pretty sure that 90% of Linux users don’t switch to Windows.
I thought it meant 90% of the ones switching to windows
That’s what I had in mind
I still boot to windows every now and then to play games. But each time windows painfully reminds me why I hate it
I have never liked Windows. Unix workstations or linux pretty much since the mid 80’s. My current pet peeve is companies that block email clients except Outlook from connecting to their mail server (Exchange).
Actually more like a self fulfilling prophesy
IMO many will leave Linux just before finding the fix!
I had tried dual boot but kept going back to windows because i knew how to do things there without having to mess with anything
Its only after i removed windows altogether and only ran Mint, that i was forced to seriously look for solutions. Once you do find them though, you dont need to mess around with anything that much any more
A suggestion for everyone that’s kinda new, and to be honest, grizzled vets too… Use chatgpt as a trouble shooting tool. It’s really surprising how good it is sometimes. I’ve had it write bash scripts in minutes, solve obscure Firefox issues, fix game settings for barely compatible games… So many things
Principally not a bad idea, but run a local model while at it!
Not very accessible, in the vast majority of (troubleshooting, nothing private) cases free gpt is the best option (fast, free, openAI training on that chat might even be beneficial to the community). Decent GPU’s for LLM are stupid pricey.
“When he reached the New World, Cortezh burned hish ships. Ash a reshult hish men were well motivated.” —Capt. Ramius, played by Sean Connery in The Hunt for Red October
Lol, putting the worst documented distro on the planet on the table is interesting. The majority of people new to linux would switch back to windows within minutes if they had to install and use nixOS.
NixOS isn’t bad but your right it could be explained better.
In terms of stability and packages, it’s an amazing OS. Gone are the days of being afraid that of updates or system upgrades that might leave your system borked. Unless you’re experimenting with filesystems and boot parameters, it’s not straightforward to fuck things up.
On the flipside, by Linus is it difficult to get things working as a beginner. Good luck packaging new stuff, good luck creating new options, good luck cross-compiling, good luck configuring stuff with hardcoded config paths in
/var/
or whatever, actually good luck understanding how to configure existing packages, good luck getting any kind of PR merged without the say-so of a chosen few, good luck changing anything in the community without getting past the gatekeepers, and have fun understanding why some random package is being installed and/or compiled when you switch to a new configuration.
I mean, if you duel boot, it’s just a matter of time until Windows nukes your other OS. At least with me, my Linux was about to solve world peace, but Windows got wind of that and shut it the fuck down.
Meme is correct, they’re coming for you.
I almost wanted to correct you and say its dual not duel, but when I think about it windows will fight to be the only bootloader right when you think its finally behaving.
Reminded me how Windows would set the hardware clock to different timezone that Linux uses, can’t remember which.
It would make my blood boil, that’s when I decided to never boot it again. 100% Linux everywhere, I get it on routers when I can.
Windows sets the hardware clock to local time, Linux sets it to UTC. It’s possible to tell one to respect the others preference
So that’s why windows always has the wrong time after I’ve been in my Linux install…
It should change it back eventually if you didn’t disable setting the clock from Microsofts ntp servers
I will never expect Windows to respect any preference. Updates burnt me too many times.
Linux for life.
Linux for life.
Then you’re clearly not dual booting and this advice wasn’t for you
Not anymore I’m not, you are correct.
Also wrote that earlier.
Windows basically never nukes the actual linux install. It DOES like breaking the bootloader though. Which is fixable but still deeply annoying.
Ah damn this is exactly what happened a few days ago. My popos boot entry suddenly disappeared. I can still just boot from the physical ssd it’s installed on, but I found it strange it just pooped out somehow. Any pointers on how to fix it?
Here’s an article on how to fix it.
TLDR: You need to boot from a live disk, mount your install and reinstall the bootloader.
I have never had this issue on Mint/Windows duel boot
- yet
I have been running it for at least 6 months if not longer. So , I think that’s a valid sample size
Me delaying the fix to my Linux problems by never switching back to Windows
ill never get sick of this meme format lol so funny
If you really want to run Linux : Distro hop
If you are not happy, then try a few more distros.
Temple or nothing
I’ve not distro hopped in ages, ever since I found my one true love arch btw
Every child should be introduced to linux. Will help them understand better they don’t need to be treated as products and certainly make them more computer literate, and hopefully more security conscious.
But to be honest, not every child is technologically-inclined. Most are just gonna get annoyed and hate it. This is not a good idea.
I’d have loved it as a child though
Something like Linux Mint is very easy to use and doesn’t require much maintenance. You don’t need to reformat every year or two either when Windows inevitably shits itself.
I use arch btw
Linux mint shares all the flaws that are common to every Linux distro
My point is Linux doesn’t have to be hard to use. You are going out of your way and making things difficult when using something like Arch Linux.
I’m not undermining your point in the first sentence, I was just saying that I use arch, btw
Linux mint shares a few ubuntu bugs, and even if you use LMDE someone like a child cannot understand the essence of linux in a controlled environment.
I’ll repeat. You cannot teach linux in a controlled environment to a child.
I’ve heard of cases where parents are putting kids in front of linux recently!
They are windows illiterate i think is what the kids posted.
Yeah, that’s nice to hear.
But that’s not necessarily a controlled environment.
Yes you can! What do you think a Chromebook is or an Android tablet. Modern Linux is quite easy to use, in some areas easier than modern Windows. This is especially true if you have the kind of children who get viruses all the time.
Oh awesome. Leave it to lemmy to be pedantic.
I obviously meant normal linux distros when I referred to linux. Not chromebooks or android.
Also, using those is in no way the same as learning linux. In a chrome book you’ll just be using a browser. In a phone, all the apps are locked down and you have no access to cli.
thanks you for not forcing people to use arch, now I don’t have to shit on it for a milliont time
Dude he said “introduced”, not forced to learn it well enough to duel Torvalds on the mailing lists.
Was introduced as a teen. Recently even looked back at my book from the times and it had a whole goddamn chapter with linux propaganda.
Hated it. Felt like high maintenance windows. No reason to even get near. Also, hated it doubly because nobody asked.
Best way would be to switch school computers to linux. That way there’s no active part - it’s here, you have to use it anyway, deal with it. Then you can taste it neutrally, and it becomes just a quirk. Quirk some may like.
Check on EducaandOS. It’s my region’s school distro. It was absolute crap around 15 years ago, when they launched (names Guadalinex Edu), but it was preinstalled in school laptops so we learned to use it.
Right now it’s pretty decent and simple enough to just throw it into a kid’s computer, but sadly nobody gives a fuck about it. It would be so cool if more institutions tried to pull projects like this
Linux doesn’t have to be high maintenance though. Definitely not more high maintenance than Windows for basic use cases.
It doesn’t have to, but for most users on the level of teens/kids it is. You wanna do something in windows? Done. Just done. No problems whatsoever, most devs bend over backwards for compatibility. Meanwhile finding shit for linux is pain. Most things you heard of are not even there. You have to go through weird apps just to run things you’re used to, and meanwhile OS asks weird questions like which graphic driver to install,
Linux changed a whole lot from the time I was introduced to it, and it became reaaaaally close to being as easy to use as windows. Hell, I even was considering switching to Mint some time ago ( Then bricked my boot. Thrice. And it’s not fault of Linux. I think. ). I like how it looks and feels, and with proton and stuff it’s best time to do so but it still isn’t on the same level of being non-problematic as windows.
Edit: Cannot talk about Win 11. Touched it once. If I need to upgrade, fuck that, going linux. Not worth it. At all.
Not really most detect the graphics card automatically, unless you are on Nvidia in which case you probably built the thing anyway or are a PC gamer which would know that anyway.
Windows isn’t as easy to use and tends to break if given to the computer illiterate from viruses, not doing updates, not rebooting, and so on. I’ve dealt with these kinds of people, they are better off with Linux Mint, ChromeOS, or similar as it doesn’t have these issues. If you are talking about mac then yeah it’s easier, you have an argument there. I would point out as well that most of the easy to use devices run Linux, like Android and ChromeOS devices.
Windows 11 is the new default, so that’s what we are comparing to here.
Dual boots on a single drive and EFI partition are expected to break at this point. This is because Microsoft like to overwrite the Linux boot loader. You should use a separate drive or at least a different EFI partition. REFIND can be helpful too. Dual boots have always been an advanced use case though.
Most people who don’t know their stuff uses nvidia. Happily slowly changing, but nvidia is everywhere, at least where I live. And people who don’t know stuff still hold onto “green good, red hot and bad”.
How do you break Windows except by downloading malware? It literally hides, or rather masquarades it’s settings from you and makes it hard to do anything bad to it. My grandpa uses Windows - I thought about introducing him to linux to breathe second life into his PC but…I doubt he would be able to do much with it. I cede point towards Android.
How is Win 11 new default? I may be out of the loop, but is it now majorly used? If so, I cede all because the only time I tried to use it, goddamn first-time registration died on me. Like, fully. Unfixable. What a mess.
And yeah, again, the boot bricking isn’t on linux it’s just me being an idiot. Also I love how fast you picked up how I broke the boot.
Ok so I am probably gonna curse in the Linux church but please enlighten me
I have one laptop with windows 10 for the simple stuff: internet, movie, ms office. It functions perfectly. Yes it needs a reboot sometimes. I don’t understand what people are saying about how terrible ms in regard for easy users.
I mean I get it that it probably using my data, which would be actually enough to change.
However: all these post about how easy it is to fix stuff in Linux (and thus saying it is not working properly)… Keeps me in ms.
What are you guys doing that needs so much tinkering that needs to be fixed constantly?
Honestly? I fixed windows as much as i do linux
I just web surf and play video games on my machines, I had to open terminal once to install printer drivers, the printers a MFC-490CW otherwise, nothing needed to be fixed
It’s just nice to HAVE the terminal, lets me go under the hood of my computer if need be.
Going by your lingo, it sounds like you need temple more than anyone
Again, i have no idea what you are saying… There is lots to learn!
Haha thanks, I am ready to switch!
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You don’t need to tinker so much Linux if you are just gonna use it for Internet and Movie stuff. We tinker with it so much because we want to make our desktop the way we want it
Have you been on a microsoft forum with people talking about windows? I bet you most people will be looking for help.
Look I understand your point, but for me it functions for what it needs to do. So i don’t need a very specific tech support answer
for me it functions for what it needs to do
Same for me and same for many linux users 👍
I was just about to give up on it the other day after using Mint for the last 6 months because I was having weird instability issues. Anytime I would play a game it would freeze within 15 mins. Turns out XMP had somehow gotten turned on in UEFI settings. Must have done it by accident the last time I was in there. Anyways, disabled it and all my issues disappeared. I would have been pissed if I wiped Linux and reinstalled Windows only to still have issues.
That is why dual boot is based.
I need to dual boot Windows for my stupid Xbox games and stupid Office that don’t run in Wine. 😭
I know you probably mean newer Xbox games, but check out xemu if you like retro titles.
So you just like MS Office?
I actually do but I’m slowly getting used to LibreOffice 🙂
Btw, you can choose something Ribbon-like or tabs in view > user interface (or similiar, it’s Benutzeroberfläche hier).
What did this say before the edit?
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