• pandapoo@sh.itjust.works
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      Unions should always back the due process rights of their members…

      Of all the things to shit on Police Unions for, this one actually requires a conviction to be valid.

      Until then, it is every union’s moral and ethic obligation to support their members as they go through the legal process.

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        Unions should always back the due process rights of their members…

        That’s not what’s being talked about and you know it.

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        If all unions were equal, then sure. But many are corrupted or are run by corrupt people.

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          I wouldn’t say many of them are corrupt, I don’t think that’s fair. I think it’s anti-union propaganda that’s been spread

          Some are though… And if you were to pick one example head and shoulders above all others, the police union definitely comes to mind

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        Unions are supposed to protect the powerless.

        From my perspective, the police union wouldn’t be especially different from a corporate executives’ union.

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    Dude FUCK HIM UP

    I can’t even imagine being outside the school for over an hour with the cops actively preventing me from going in and getting my spouse or child out, getting pepper sprayed and handcuffed, and then at the end of it finding out they were inside slowly dying of a gunshot wound the entire time. I am legitimately confused about how none of the cops involved in that have not been vigilante’d.

    If every single one of them get felonies with long prison sentences, they should count themselves lucky as hell that their community is for whatever reason being so forgiving about it.

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      I am legitimately confused about how none of the cops involved in that have not been vigilante’d.

      I also think about this a lot. There’s like a mass shooting every day but it’s never cops, politicians, billionaires.

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        Cops shoot back, and they protect the other two groups. They’re cowards, but cowards will still fire blindly when they’re directly in danger.

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    Wasn’t it already decided that police are not obliged to help anyone? How can this go anywhere?

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      Generally speaking, any person can take anyone to court for any reason, and any prosecutor can charge anyone for any reason.

      Once it gets to court is where the “but your honor the Supreme Court said X Y Z” comes into it. And in a lot of cases that’ll get you off, and in a lot of cases that will mean the prosecutor won’t even try because the law is so clear that it would just be a waste of everyone’s time to make the attempt. But, the circumstances of the case and a compelling counter argument can make that not the only outcome, and the judge and jury have a lot of leeway up to and including “hey you know what I think the Supreme Court got it wrong as hell in this case, guilty guilty guilty.”

      When it’s fairly applied (which is, certainly, not even close to all the time) it’s actually a very good system.

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        Precedents get overturned from time to time, and the way that generally happens is when a new case comes along challenging that precedent.

        Maybe this goes nowhere. Maybe a conviction gets overturned on appeal. But maybe we could see a new precedent set. Might as well try, you’re probably not going to find a better case to do it any time soon.

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      Yeah this has already been litigated over and over, police have no obligation to protect or serve

      Edit: Spelling

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        But they forcibly prevented the parents from protecting their own children. It’s fine to say you won’t protect and serve but by preventing the parents from going in should be some degree of murder. How the fuck could good Samaritan laws work if the people are required to act.

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          The officers literally instructed hiding children through the door to shout for help during an active shooter situation

          This resulted in the direct death of at least one child that would otherwise have survived

          The cops literally caused more dead kids than if they never showed up at all, indicated by the parent who fucking Metal Geared past the police line to extract their kids

          Not to even mention how their messaging post-incident indicated the cops killed kids with indiscriminate shooting

          Someone’s gotta do something about these cops.

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          They can literally shoot innocent people for no reason and not get charged with murder. you think they are gonna get charged with ‘some degree of murder’?

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        Which means that every single time you see police protecting nazis, it’s because they chose to. Uvalde was police showing us who they don’t want to protect.

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    Yaasss, forcing law enforcement to “do their job” or go to jail sounds like a great idea!

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      I wouldn’t be terribly shocked if a caveat was made for this kind of action. When you consider not just the inaction but them prohibiting parents from intervening you have materially different facts.

      I don’t see a massive change coming but perhaps a narrowly tailored ruling.

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        You’re 100% right. The supreme Court ruled on the duty to protect and on qualified immunity, the only way the state could get a verdict is if it’s very narrowly tailored to either “extremely egregious and inhumane behavior” or for “stopping the parents”. There’s no other way for a judge to make a guilty verdict and at the same time make it appeal-proof to some degree.

        And we just gotta hope and pray this gets through and doesn’t get overturned.