Boeing takes it in the nuts.
Not enough billions in taxpayer dollars I guess.
Thank goodness they’re too big to fail or they might actually be held accountable for building such shit equipment over the last decade+.
I almost want to start shorting Boeing
I dunno man, part of me wants to buy the dip. They’re “too big to fail,” they’ll get enough corporate welfare to bounce back. The question is when.
Na this has been an unprecedented scale of fuckups. Dont make investment decisions like timing the market. Make investment decisions based off the quality, scalability and value of the company itself. Warren Buffet 101.
Okay so they are stuck then. Right?
Wouldn’t it be interesting if they make it back safely on the X snap dragons capsule thing and then they bring back the boing capsule and it burns up? It mean, if nothing happens it’s okay, but If it does!?
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Imagine you’re stuck in space… and your two options for getting home are Boeing and SpaceX. Is OceanGate going to branch out into space travel next? I hope these brave souls make it home safely.
As much as I detest SpaceX and the literal child in charge of the company, their craft at least has a track record of safely bringing astronauts to and from the ISS. Boeing doesn’t even have that.
I’m kinda positive to SpaceX, despite muskyboi, not thanks to.
SpaceX is Shotwell’s company, and she’s way more capable of driving success than the fuckstick who does their PR. It’s difficult to dismiss the objectively astounding leaps in technical progress that the engineers at SpaceX have achieved.
Musk could take a long walk off a short bridge and it wouldn’t affect SpaceX’s operations at all.
I know you all like to think that Musk does nothing at SpaceX, but that’s not the case. He is heavily involved with Starship, and he was involved with F9 in the past. For example, landing on barges was his push, same as pushing to use stainless steel for Starship.
Whenever someone working at SpaceX says hes involved though, you all just dismiss it as “they don’t want to lose their job”
Shotwell runs the day to day though, he’s not involved with that.
In business, just like in war, the few take credit for the work and will of the many.
We remember Eisenhower, not the millions who died and sacrificed their life fighting for him.
We do remember those people… there’s a huge WWII memorial in DC and memorials around the country. The Korean War has a great memorial in DC too, great statues.
Dwight Eisenhower apparently has a small memorial as well. I had to look it up to find it. The first review says:
We just happened to find this memorial while waiting for our timed entry into the Air and Space Museum.
So, who is remembered more?
You’re treating a million individual deaths as the same as one person in your thinking. This isn’t binary.
You made the comparison between one person and a million. I quote:
We remember Eisenhower, not the millions who died
same as pushing to use stainless steel for Starship.
Which he totally didn’t do because he’s a fucking moron who likes stainless steel, nooo this is definitely a sign that his contributions are meaningful
It’s stronger than aluminium, as well as easier to manufacture and work in less-than-ideal conditions than carbon fiber. Useful traits when your end goal is to build a whole fuckton of the biggest, most capable, fully reusable rockets in history.
Don’t worry, if SS ends up being a failure for any reason they’ll blame him, but if it succeeds they’ll be silent or say it was dumb luck or he had nothing to do with it.
I remember hearing a podcast story - maybe the Economist? - punctuated with Elon personally canceling the weekend for all of SpaceX by screaming commands at the shift supervisor of the launch platform at night on a Friday.
Everyone dutifully and instantly canceled their plans and worked through the weekend and in fact made great progress.
So I don’t believe all the convenient hype that he is not involved.
I feel the same as you, but you really can’t deny the fact that the engineers at his various companies have managed to design some really great tech despite their CEO.
Not just spacecraft either. Starlink is really the first usable satellite broadband, and Tesla has mastered the art of putting advanced powertrain in terrible automobiles.
Those companies have people whose unofficial job is to manage the child when he throws a tantrum and somewhat isolate him from things that could be damaged. Twitter didn’t have this protection.
I’m OOTL: is Soyuz no longer also an option?
They’ve been transporting American space personal since at least March
Not sure what could have changed since, but when US/Russia relations at some of the worst levels in history, I’m surprised this last lingering relationship has held out as long as it has.
My understanding is that, in retaliation to US sanctions imposed at the start of the invasion of Ukraine, Russia stopped providing RD-180 rocket engines that were used in the Atlas V. My surprise is that the USA relied on Russian rocket engines to put national security payloads into space.
The use of Russian engines on the Atlas dates back to a Clinton program after the collapse of the USSR. With the Soviet Union no longer able to pay its rocket scientists, it was thought that it was better that the United States pay them for their expertise rather than some other more hostile government gain access to their knowledge.
Interesting. Thanks for the info! I love learning about this stuff.
In case you know - was there some sort of exclusivity agreement the USA had for their Russian rocketry purchases? What would have prevented the Russia from sharing their info with whoever they wanted, while still selling to the USA? Or was this agreement guided by political norms? Was the Clinton program named? I’d like to learn more about it.
At that point I’d take my chances with a space suit and a parachute. If I live, it would at least break the world record for skydiving height.
That wouldn’t work even a little bit. Not just because spacesuits aren’t heat resistant so you’d burn up on reentry, but because they don’t have enough ∆V to slow down from orbital velocity in the first place.
You’d be like Jebediah in my Kerbal Space Program campaign, floating around the planet without a spacecraft indefinitely.
Did you think I was serious?
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I hate Musk but he is not the one who designed the Falcon rockets and capsule which have the best track record. I would much prefer to go on one of those than Starliner.
Big win for Spacex
Pretty sure those astronauts are actually whistleblowers
Can you fall out a window in micro gravity? 🤔
Depends on how much you have angered Boeing,Putin,Xi,etc.
I’m surprised NASA is letting SpaceX help them. I thought they were gonna say “I’ll do it myself” and twiddle their thumbs for a few more months.
