I am once again asking for meat and dairy subsidies in the US to be shifted to alternatives like plant-based products and lab meat.
One of the biggest barriers to alternatives is the cost. Currently they cost like twice as much as the “normal” product. If they cost a roughly equal amount, more people would start buying them instead. The US has huge agriculture subsidies; we could shift them to alternatives to encourage a change in production and a change in retail purchasing.
Personally, I do not want any lab grown meat, and as for the pseudo burgers and chicken (I grew up vegetarian) the “nutritional” benefits are not their due to over processing
That’s one opinion. I will take all of the lab grown meat thanks. I’m vegetarian, working to vegan. If there was pork chop that came out tomorrow that was made in a lab and no pig died for it - I’m fucking eating it.
Impossible foods have allowed me to go veggie, so I think we should sing their praises.
but why would you eat something that makes you sick? meat is meat. the artificial one will make you sick as well.
Probably for the same reasons a lot of us humans are drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco. And eating intense amounts of sugar.
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Humans are omnivores. Meat doesn’t make us sick. Over consumption makes us sick. I don’t eat impossible for every meal. I eat it maybe once or twice a week.
but that is what the article is about? meat makes us and the planet sick, apparently.
thats what the report finds, its in the title.
Just because one thing is healthier doesn’t mean the other makes you sick.
Your dumb logic is what makes me sick.
you must be pretty bedridden
That’s fine, you don’t have to eat them. You can still pay a premium for the more environmentally-expensive real meat, instead of the government-subsidized costs we pay now.
Personally, I don’t want to be part of a human society which purposefully creates huge amounts of suffering for animals (including human animals). Yet, here we are.
So? Don’t eat them? I dont see why you are upset at the suggestion of changing our national subsidiaries away from what we know is harming the environment.
Besides, there is a lot more to eat veg than the proceed Morningstar, Boca, Immposible junk. I mostly eat rice, beans, curry and tofu I prepare myself.
I wish I could be there the day you bit into what you decided was a delicious burger or steak, only to be told that- *gasp*- it was grown in a lab and that DNA is DNA.
Most meatists like that would just get angry when they encounter that. Saying you tricked them.
And then they would start eating even more meat just to spite you and vegans.
It really isn’t that big of an argument I’m afraid.
Personally, I do not want any lab grown meat
Why not?
because thats stupid, unrealistic, and a nightmare to produce.
Today sure. Every new technology has.
Doesn’t mean it is the same in the future.
yeah, well, you got a point there. sure.
but every media source talks about lab meat like its a viable thing to manufacture, sell and buy. like a real alternative to meat. i found only one place to buy it, read this:
“For the first time in history, you can buy cultivated meat in retail to cook at home. Our newest product, GOOD Meat 3, is now available to buy in the frozen groceries section at Huber’s Butchery, one of Singapore’s premier producers and suppliers of high-quality meat products. This delicious, shredded chicken is made with 3% cultivated meat in combination with plant-based ingredients, similar to the way we’ve always made our chicken. GOOD Meat 3 gives us a way to make our cultivated meat more readily available, while we continue to scale our technology.”
so 3 percent lab grown meat is in the thing you can buy.
https://www.hubers.com.sg/Productlisting.aspx?CatID=SABVAEIARQBSAFMAMQBIAFUAQgBFAFIAUwA=
but i doubt they sell it, because its not listed in their shop.
spot on. pseudo meat is just junk food.
For all those replying with “well yes, we already knew this”.
Yes, but now you have the numbers to back up the conclusions you’ve already drawn.
Of course food produced from plants will be environmentally better than those made from animals, but now, next time you see someone actually doubting that, you can rebuff them with numbers and science.
But those numbers already existed. Those conclusions weren’t drawn up out of nothing.
If 70% of the food we cultivate goes directly to our livestock, then we could only ever eat 30% of it ourselves. Meaning, for something that takes up 1/3 of our plate, we use almost 5 times as much resourses just to feed it as either of the other 2/3.
The most healthy plant based meat alternatives have always been, Beans & Legumes. You’re welcome!
nooooooo we want them to buy the OTHER kind of plant based meat alternatives, the lucrative ones.
Lentils and nuts/seeds?
that profit margin is puny, we want some form of processed alternative, so we can make lots of money.
Isn’t that what these are made from?
And they’re easy! Like I enjoy fake meat as a treat, but as my wife can’t eat soy my primary meat replacement is black beans. Sometimes butter beans. It’s great, it’s easy, and I feel good.
That said the real best is lentils. Nothing is healthy like lentils are. They’re just difficult to cook right
Next up, the sky is blue.
I wish it was more obvious to the average person as it is needed to counter the mainstream media’s false narrative that “processed plant-based protein alternatives are less healthy than meat”
Not that I doubt you, but where are you seeing them talk about it AT ALL?
I’m maybe just looking in the wrong places but beyond the occasional adverpinion piece, it’s not even brought up.
It’s a common talking point amongst those who have a murderous hatred of vegans.
Both sides suck at arguing this and all it does is make both sides insufferable. Meat eaters like to point out things like protein deficiency, and high amounts of salts and sugars in meat substitutes. Vegans like to point out the saturated fats, cancer rates, and green house emissions. Problem is you’re both right.
From the article
The studies authors are calling for “greater nuance” when it comes to discussing the healthiness of plant-based alternatives, as there is considerable disparity between categories in terms of health.
“Grouping all plant-based alternatives into a single category is an unhelpful strategy for encouraging a shift away from meat and towards more plant-rich diets as it hides a wide variety of options with differing nutrition and health profiles within the plant-based alternative category,” the authors wrote.
While the study acknowledged that plant-based meat alternatives can be a “useful stepping stone” for encouraging people to shift their diets, they stressed that the less processed alternatives – notably beans and grains – offer “the greatest number of co-benefits.”
Personally I’m not going to stop eating meat but I’m fine with eating less of it or lab grown after a while (though I’m worried about what the industry would look like on a mass scale). But calling for things like moving all livestock subsidies to meat alternatives and claiming all meat substitutes are inherently healthier is just naive, reactionary, and lack nuance. Discussions between vegans and carnivores go exactly how you expect most internet debates to go.
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You say that but there arent campaigns to disinform people that the sky is actually red.
I wish they weren’t all so damn salty though. I get that meat is salty, but the meat alternatives go way too far with the saltiness in general in my experience.
So much this. Last time I brought it up, I was asked “what’s the matter, you don’t season your food?”
Uh… There are more seasonings than SALT, yo. You can add more of it, but once it’s in there…
Water - wet.
That’s what my thoughts were with this. The sheer amount of water alone to produce meat1 makes the bar very low for plant-based alternatives
1 https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/06/water-footprint-food-sustainability/
wait till your hear how much water is needed for those vats for lab meat…
Do you have a source? I’d be interested in seeing how the numbers look at present. I otherwise looked into this briefly myself, and this article from ScienceFocus mentions a 2019 study by Oxford University that found more greenhouse gases are released growing lab meat than regular meat, although ScienceFocus argued that if mass produced on a similar scale to regular meat and if renewable energy was used instead, the emissions could be better than regular meat.
Another website indicates in future tense that lab-grown meat “could cut down on water usage by 90%”
I only have common sense. of course the whole thing is less water intensive then having to nurture an animal for 2 years and then kill it. but you can’t compare industrial waste water and water usage on a farm.
well, renewable energy… you could say the same for a farm. just put solar on the roof, like they do anyway. yes, you need less diesel for a factory product. but you still need an agricultural product, you don’t grow the stuff out of thin air. so diesel will be the same.
then you will need lots more of energy. you need technology. you need chemicals. and so on. you need specialist, chemists, industrial mechanics. all that costs a whole lot of ressources, and ratches up co2 footprint as well.
its like the idea of insect protein.
i dont think this will realize into reality at all, in a meaningfull scale, i mean. the whole thing is just a technical nightmare.
its like urban farms with indoor lights and hydroponics. its just not efficient.
Duh.
And lower birthrates lower overpopulation.
thats happening right know anyways.
Next you’re going to say that it’s good that my primary source of protein is high in fiber and fixes nitrogen in the soil. No shit. Over processed food is bad, but meat is really bad for the planet and while it may be healthy in small amounts it’s probably less than every day, much less every meal like is common in the developed world.
But you don’t get to torment animals
Oh God oh fuck the admins are gonna kill you for making this post
They’re gonna take down the post for “unhealthy diets” lol
No, as we humans are omnivores. We can digest non animal fats and dont need directly a heck load of chemicals injected into a block of soy beans paste.
Additionally WE can make that choice but cats that are obligatory carnivore would never choose vegan as they are obligated to do so.
If a vegan diet is ethical for a cat is unknown.
No shit sherlock.
What do they think our lifestock eats? Air?
They’re comin’
I prefer my veggies in veggie form. Veggie meat seems like the nicotine patch of the food world to me.
and way more lucrative.
just don’t eat meat if you don’t want to.
you don’t need highly processeed junk food that dresses up as meat.
protein? who are you kidding? that stuff will be full of seed oils, sugar, wheat and carbs. with some plant protein sprinkled in between.
lab meat, get out of here. why should yout eat lab meat when normal meat is unhealthy in the first place?
and you think they won’t stretch that lab meat with wheat, sugar and seed oils as well? why wouldn’t they?
if you believe they want to noourish you into best health while disregarding profit, i have a bridge to sell you.
the only reason to get you to eat hoghly processed junk food that dresses up as meat is money.
they dont care about your health or the planet.
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It’s so funny that the bias of plant based news can’t be detected by a media bias fact checker.
Seriously, their bias is right in the name.
