Police def overdid it, but part of the problem might be that some people would prefer to pay the fine for speeding because it’s insignificant to them. This specific component of the legal system is broken because it treats the wealthy exactly the same as everyone else.
Fines need to scale based on the wealth of the perpetrator. It should be an equal punishment for breaking the law.
Also, you can just mail speeding fines to people, there’s no reason to pull anyone over for that shit except to initiate a conflict.
They use the pull over as opportunity to search for more offenses
Yes, as I said, to initiate conflict.
They could have said “no problem sir, we’ll get this ticket to you right away” and then slow walked the whole process. Taking up hill’s time would have caused him more problems than anything else.
That sounds good in theory but that only hurts the middle class disproportionately. Not to mention it violates the constitution.
Maybe there’s some precedent, but I can’t see why equally proportionate punishment should be unconstitutional.
Proportionate to what? Net worth? Income? If you actually think it through you are not targeting the rich by doing this. You are targeting small businesses and middle class families.
You could curve the proportion to income to scale impact to something more equitable. How you decide what’s equitable would be another problem to solve, but I imagine it would involve benchmarking around the middle class and poverty line. Right now fine rates are okay for the middle class, so keep the proportion similar, fine rates really fuck up poor people, and fine rates mean nothing to the upper class. So imagine you you feel would be a fair impact for a fine and scale it accordingly.
Not to mention it violates the constitution
Almost as if relying entirely on an aged document written by the rich to set laws for the modern rich doesn’t work 🤔
Say what you want about it but that price of paper is the o my reason you aren’t British.
Over here speeding gets a fine and points on your license which when you hit the magic number you get your license revoked…
Those points can almost always be negotiated down.
I have spent a couple years badmouthing this dude, but the police bodycam footage is pretty crazy. It’s also crazy to me that a bunch of Miami cops would pull over one of the city’s most well-known athletes and nobody was like “gee, maybe we shouldn’t go so hard on this one, he’s famous”
Thought process might well have been: “This is an uppity black man, we’d better show these types a lesson.”
Nothing makes a a cop more upset than seeing a black man doing better than him. A LOT of poorer white ppl seeing any brown person doing better than them is upsetting. You only got in your position because your a diversity hire or Affirmative Action!
No normal citizen would roll up their window on the police. Give me a fucking break.
Playing devil’s advocate. He may just not have wanted some paparazzi taking a picture of him while being pulled over? You could see in the video where the cop decides he’s going on a power trip instead of just doing his job
Ok, and maybe the cop thinks he is trying to load a gun with the window up. Lots of what ifs.
so you are saying they should treat him differently because he is famous?
Cops should be aware that if they fuck around with a famous person, they will definitely find out how it feels to face serious charges.
I wish it was the same for us poor people, but it’s not.
No, the person is saying the cops should have been smarter. They didn’t say, “the cops SHOULD HAVE done X.” They said, “it’s crazy that the cops DID do X.”
Excessive use of force by the cop who clearly wanted to escalate. Tyreek Hill also wasn’t being smart in the way that was handled. We already know how paranoid and trigger happy law enforcement can be. People like to act tough on the internet, but I wouldn’t DARE roll up tinted windows during a police stop knowing how shit could escalate. I’m trying to have them see my hands at all times. That’s exactly the kind of shit that can happen when you’re just trying to get home safe. Whatever it is, it’s not worth it.
Tyreek Hill also wasn’t being smart in the way that was handled.
Why is it that we have to cater to the ppl in the wrong? Give him his ticket and go. Plus there was already another officer before captain tiny dick showed up who confirmed he had no weapons in the car and according Hill keep the entire situation calm. Fuck him. You want respect you have to give respect
Asshole cop vs asshole citizen is what the video showed. I’m far from a cop lover but I can see how it feels on the other side of a rolled up window where you can’t see what’s going on and the person inside’s being non-compliant. Don’t fuck around and talk shit while rolling up your tinted window when a cop pulls you over. People in this country are strapped up. Especially in a concealed carry state like Florida that is full of insane people. Cops are on edge for a reason when they’re doing a traffic stop. If I did what Tyreek Hill did, I’d fully expect to be asked to step out or pulled out of my car
But the guy breaking the law was in the wrong? Yes he’s going to get a ticket but he rudely rolls up the tinted window while the cop is still talking. Hill was clearly disrespectful first and antagonistic throughout.
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I am a huge police accountability buff. But also, law matters, and court rulings matter. If police order you out of your car for their safety (in the US), you have to comply. If you do not, they are authorized to use force to pull you out and almost never do that gently. Cops absolutely use excessive force all the time, so not doing things that specifically give them permission would be smart. Him rolling up his tinted windows and refusing to get out of the car are what made this happen.
They still need probably cause to force him out. They might have had it based on prior facts, but they might not have.
Cops are way past getting the benefit of the doubt from me
This looks like they were angry about an uppity black man.
This. They cannot tell you to get out for speeding or some other minor offense. They need probable cause for that. Then while he was in handcuffs, one of these clowns punched him in the face.
We need to end qualified immunity and start jailing these authoritarian tyrants.
This is wrong. Stop spreading misinformation. They can order you out of a car for nearly any reason. Safety being a primary stated purpose that has MASSIVE LEAWAY.
https://www.smithandeulo.com/can-police-order-passenger-out-of-car/?amp
https://defenseadvocates.com/can-police-make-you-get-out-of-your-car/
I can post these all day long. They’re everywhere. There is no excuse for people spreading this misinformation.
LEAWAYLEEWAYHowever, all other instances outside of those enumerated above appear to be unlawful reasons for ordering a passenger out of the car. For example, if the stop is concluded and the cop wants to talk to you about an unrelated matter. This would be an unlawful seizure. The Mimms case made it clear that while an officer may order an individual out of the car for legitimate safety concerns, the officer is not entitled to ask a driver out of the vehicle in every single instance in which he wants to speak with the occupants. See Pennsylvania v. Mimms, 434 U.S. 106 (1977).
That’s literally you’re own link. Pulling a driver over on the highway and asking them to step out and move to the shoulder grass is fine. Asking them to exit the car, on a side street is not a safety issue.
Maybe, and I’m just spitballing here, but maybe for a simple speeding offense they didn’t need to drag him out of the car? Just because they are allowed to based on past court cases doesn’t mean they should use that for every issue they see.
There are a lot of people who want to end qualified immunity and reform many realities of policing today. I am describing the reality today. There’s a reason I say I’m interested in police accountability/transparency.
Nice to finally see someone who knows Penn v. Mimms out in the wild.
The time between them ordering him out of the car (not asking to roll down the window) and them forcing him out was a few seconds.
The clip I saw at the link looked like it was edited right there, I’d love to see the raw video. It could have been too quick, it could have been longer. I don’t know.
The one I saw was longer, they knocked at least two different times and he kept telling them off.
But they didn’t tell him to get out of the car yet. He should have rolled down the window yes, but that’s a separate issue than Penn vs Mimms.
Sure, but once they establish a pattern of non-compliance it doesn’t reset with each new instruction. They expect he will resist getting out of the car based on his refusal to roll down the window. At that point they have to choose whether to get him out of the car quickly, or risk non-compliance issue with that, which could involve fleeing or hitting people with his car.
When officer or public safety are at risk they will always choose to take someone into custody to stabilize the situation and then reassess from there.
The situation with the window can’t be separated from the treatment with the door.
That is a policy of escalation, there is no reason to follow it. It just makes situations where this is more likely. It’s a miniscule increase in safety for an officer at a cost of massive risk to the public.
Video shows that two motorcycle officers went after Hill after he appeared to speed past them at in his McLaren sports car on the roadway entering Hard Rock Stadium in light traffic — they later said they clocked him at 60 mph (97 kph). They turned on their lights and pulled Hill over. One knocked on the driver’s window and told him to put it down, which Hill did and handed him his driver’s license.
I expected to come here and see the police way out of line. Instead they are a little bit, but Hill was disrespectful and non-compliant.
…Hill was disrespectful and non-compliant.
When the police came round, repeatedly, to my childhood house, after being called by my mother because my father was raping and beating her, the police laughed.
Maybe the police, as a collective, will deserve respect in some hypothetical future where they don’t often harm the innocent, and don’t often make the world worse.
Good way to justify police violence.
Sorry, did you say something rude? That’s a
paddlinslam down on the pavement“A black person annoyed them. Of course a cop can’t put up with that!”
Where do you live that cops deserve respect? Nobody DESERVES respect, least of all due to their shitty job. If you want respect you earn it, and cops have been doing the opposite (in north america) since their inception.
We say ACAB for a reason.
So because ACAB this Hill guy can’t be one. This isn’t zero sum.
So you think it is ok to answer a disrespectful rolling up of a window with physical violence?
I’d hate to be in any way related to you.