I wonder how far back you’d have to go in order to find the original incident that set off this enormous chain of retaliations. Probably at least 5,000 years.
Bout 80 years actually. The current conflict is settler colonists fighting natives. The religious justification is just that, justification with no history support. Just classic colonization and ethnic cleansing of natives.
I’d probably push it back to a little over 100 years to include WWI, the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and the British Mandate for Palestine, since that all set the stage for Israel being founded pretty directly, and there had already been a pretty substantial movement for Jews to immigrate to the region by about the '30s (known as the “Fifth Aliyah”) so a bit outside of your 80 year range.
But of course, none of these events happen in a vacuum, if you want to get really nitpicky, you can start talking about the events that led to world war 1, trace them way back, through the crusades, the birth of Muhammad, Christianity, the Roman empire, all the way back to the bronze age, and maybe even further if you were able to somehow find decent historical records going that far back.
Trying to point to one single event as the one that kicked off a certain conflict is tough, because there was always something that led up to that event too, and when you try to unravel it, before too long you might come to a very Douglass Adams-y conclusion that it all started when our first ape ancestors decided to come down from the trees, only for someone else to say that the trees had been a mistake in the first place and that we never should have left the oceans.
Jewish settlers 80+ years ago bought their land legally. Meaning they legally own the land. Such classic colonization. Somehow after the ethnic cleansing they were left with 10x the population they started with. Seriously cleansed them didn’t they.
“buying land doesn’t really mean much.” Tell that to the Palestinians who got upset when Jews moved into the land they sold to them. One thing it definitely means is the new owners might move in.
American settlers did obtain their land legally too. What’s your point? That to begin with, without us legally obtaining that land you wouldn’t have electricity. You wouldn’t have airplanes. You wouldn’t have a cell phone.
Damn, I didn’t know that millions of dead native Americans were required for electricity to be invented. Who knew that without that genocide no human being would of ever come up with the cell phone. It’s like you believe that if we didn’t murder millions of natives that all human progress would of stopped
So because smallpox killed more than us, all the genocide we 100% did didn’t matter? What an argument. Trail of tears dumbass. Stealing children to force into boarding schools dumbass. Reservations dumbass. Near extermination of the Buffalo.
Even if some of the land was bought legally, most was stolen.
And the title to a plot of land is no justification for founding a state and exercising political and military power over your neighbour, denying him sovereignity.
Manifest destiny was legal too. Tell it to the native American Indians that we got it legally.
When you start talking legal and not moral, it’s because you know you have lost that morality.
Nah you just have to go back to the end of WWII when the the postwar allies decided it was easier to give all the Jews who survived the genocide Palestine. They armed them. Then let them push out the people who had been there for thousands of years out to create their new country. Its continued this entire time. There is a site somewhere that shows how isreal has steadily took over land that wasn’t given to them in the original agreement. Further more the document that established the new isreal guaranteed a Palestinian state which isreal has consistently prevented since their inception. All of this information can be found but you can bet isreal tries to suppress that as well. I’m done with isreal. WWII was fought in part to prevent their genocide. Now they are killing on that scale and can’t see the hypocrisy in their actions. It must gall them when someone with a Jewish heritage like Bernie Sanders takes action to prevent the US from enabling the genocide they are currently carrying out.
1920s max bruh, this is a colonial issue, especially since it was initially set off by Britain.
There’s plenty of documented media of Palestine existing rather normally as a loose collection of cities around the area. Lots of photographs and written logs of people who visited. Population was mostly Muslim and then Christian.
Before Britain, it was simply under control of the Ottoman empire.
It all set off when Britian made it a colony and set off a nationalization movement with the Balfour Declaration. It doesn’t matter that it was historically fought over by several civilizations, it’s just that GB didn’t want to deal with Jews either, and decide shipping them off to a colony was a good idea, since it worked well with Australia.
I wonder how far back you’d have to go in order to find the original incident that set off this enormous chain of retaliations. Probably at least 5,000 years.
Bout 80 years actually. The current conflict is settler colonists fighting natives. The religious justification is just that, justification with no history support. Just classic colonization and ethnic cleansing of natives.
I’d probably push it back to a little over 100 years to include WWI, the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and the British Mandate for Palestine, since that all set the stage for Israel being founded pretty directly, and there had already been a pretty substantial movement for Jews to immigrate to the region by about the '30s (known as the “Fifth Aliyah”) so a bit outside of your 80 year range.
But of course, none of these events happen in a vacuum, if you want to get really nitpicky, you can start talking about the events that led to world war 1, trace them way back, through the crusades, the birth of Muhammad, Christianity, the Roman empire, all the way back to the bronze age, and maybe even further if you were able to somehow find decent historical records going that far back.
Trying to point to one single event as the one that kicked off a certain conflict is tough, because there was always something that led up to that event too, and when you try to unravel it, before too long you might come to a very Douglass Adams-y conclusion that it all started when our first ape ancestors decided to come down from the trees, only for someone else to say that the trees had been a mistake in the first place and that we never should have left the oceans.
Jewish settlers 80+ years ago bought their land legally. Meaning they legally own the land. Such classic colonization. Somehow after the ethnic cleansing they were left with 10x the population they started with. Seriously cleansed them didn’t they.
bought the land legally doesn’t really mean much, the american settlers obtained their land ‘legally’ too.
“buying land doesn’t really mean much.” Tell that to the Palestinians who got upset when Jews moved into the land they sold to them. One thing it definitely means is the new owners might move in.
American settlers did obtain their land legally too. What’s your point? That to begin with, without us legally obtaining that land you wouldn’t have electricity. You wouldn’t have airplanes. You wouldn’t have a cell phone.
Peak coloniser mindset.
Palestinians had electricity and planes before the invasion. Gotta be the right mixture of racist and stupid to spout this nonsense.
https://www.newarab.com/analysis/palestines-airports-past-present-and-future-dreams
Damn, I didn’t know that millions of dead native Americans were required for electricity to be invented. Who knew that without that genocide no human being would of ever come up with the cell phone. It’s like you believe that if we didn’t murder millions of natives that all human progress would of stopped
We didn’t murder millions of natives. Smallpox killed millions.
So because smallpox killed more than us, all the genocide we 100% did didn’t matter? What an argument. Trail of tears dumbass. Stealing children to force into boarding schools dumbass. Reservations dumbass. Near extermination of the Buffalo.
Damn you really are stupid. Disease killed most of them. High estimates are we killed 45,000 through 40 wars and they killed 20,000 of us.
It is estimated by people smarter than you that 90-95% of the native population died to disease. Dumbfuck. They stole our children as well.
“Just look at all the capitalist treats you got out of our genocide, you ungrateful plebe”
Even if some of the land was bought legally, most was stolen.
And the title to a plot of land is no justification for founding a state and exercising political and military power over your neighbour, denying him sovereignity.
Manifest destiny was legal too. Tell it to the native American Indians that we got it legally. When you start talking legal and not moral, it’s because you know you have lost that morality.
So you’re saying that palestinians exist? Shocking admission.
Nah you just have to go back to the end of WWII when the the postwar allies decided it was easier to give all the Jews who survived the genocide Palestine. They armed them. Then let them push out the people who had been there for thousands of years out to create their new country. Its continued this entire time. There is a site somewhere that shows how isreal has steadily took over land that wasn’t given to them in the original agreement. Further more the document that established the new isreal guaranteed a Palestinian state which isreal has consistently prevented since their inception. All of this information can be found but you can bet isreal tries to suppress that as well. I’m done with isreal. WWII was fought in part to prevent their genocide. Now they are killing on that scale and can’t see the hypocrisy in their actions. It must gall them when someone with a Jewish heritage like Bernie Sanders takes action to prevent the US from enabling the genocide they are currently carrying out.
What? Mate, it’s 1948 the date that the racist colony called Israel was founded on the bones of Palestinians.
Only the Zionists want you to think it’s a religious dispute.
1920s max bruh, this is a colonial issue, especially since it was initially set off by Britain.
There’s plenty of documented media of Palestine existing rather normally as a loose collection of cities around the area. Lots of photographs and written logs of people who visited. Population was mostly Muslim and then Christian.
Before Britain, it was simply under control of the Ottoman empire.
It all set off when Britian made it a colony and set off a nationalization movement with the Balfour Declaration. It doesn’t matter that it was historically fought over by several civilizations, it’s just that GB didn’t want to deal with Jews either, and decide shipping them off to a colony was a good idea, since it worked well with Australia.
Zionism was fabricated in 1897.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism
wtf are you talking about